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Flash525

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#1 10 years ago

Now, I'd like to ask each of you, how superior you feel to not only other people, but toward other animals. Do you care if you hurt someone elses' feelings? Does it effect you at all, if you squash a spider, or knock over an Ant Hill? Do you feel guilty at all for something that may seem so insignificant? Was reading through another thread earlier, about what would happen if Aliens were to visit Earth. Some people state that they'd come to learn about us, some say they'd come to help, and some say they'd come to destroy. Personally, if Aliens were to come to Earth, I'd think of them as the Humans, and us as the Spiders, or Ants. To Aliens, wouldn't we be insignificant? People may argue that we are 'sentient' though to an advanced species that can travel the galaxy, we might not quite be sentient enough, thus would they believe they have the right to walk all over us, just as we seem to believe we have the right to walk over nature as we do today? The film Predator - An Alien race, that hunt Humans for sport. Just as Humans would hunt Whales, or Tigers. We deem Whales and Tigers, along with most other animals as our right to hunt, an Alien species could think just the same about us, could they not? This thread isn't necessarily about Aliens, so I don't want people coming in here saying they do or don't exist. They were just used as an example. The point of this thread, is to ascertain how little which think, of the apparent insignificant things in life, that we may all take for granted. Please feel free to share your thoughts on the matter.




Karst

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#2 10 years ago

Hm, it's hard to say what exactly is right and what is wrong in such matters. Obviously you shouldn't hurt someone else's feelings (without a reason) and I definitely would care and wouldn't want to do that. About animals, it really depends a lot. I like to eat meat, but I only buy organic-raised animals. Generally I try to avoid killing an animal for no reason. But if I step on a bug or see a dead animal by the roadside I don't feel particularly bad about it. The primary concern of an animal is survival. They don't have hopes, dream and ambitions that can be quashed, and although obviously "higher" animals do, many animals don't really have what I'd call distinct personalities.

I think in any possible case the death of a human is more tragic than an animal. What I find very disturbing however is dying of species. A species is a unique component of the planet and should be protected by the species most capable of doing so - us. A lost species is something that cannot ever be replaced.

And as for aliens coming to this planet: If the aliens were advanced enough to travel lightyears through the universe I would assume they would show scientific interest in life on earth more than anything else. It seems extremely unlikely that a space-faring alien species traveling so far to explore distant planets would simply invade them, or be crude and simple minded enough to hunt terrestrial species. That's just bad science fiction.




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#3 10 years ago

Karst is right, it just doesn't seem right that aliens would come here just to kill us. Any sentient species would realize how truly rare life is, and would probably rather actively nurture it rather than wilfully destroy it.

but the killing of another animal...would a lion feel remorse for killing a gazelle?




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#4 10 years ago

It's rare enough to find another human that really cares enough about human life to preserve it with all possible measures so there seems little reason to assume that caring for life would hold among aliens any more than it does among humans.




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#5 10 years ago

Maybe that's because we take human life for granted?




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#6 10 years ago

Like as not, it's a pretty low-value currency.




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#7 10 years ago

That's cause we use it every day. An alien, especially a spacefaring one, will probably appreciate how valuable sentience is, because there is so little of it in the universe.




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#8 10 years ago

They could increase the amount of sentience in the universe by populating it themselves if they were that bothered.

There's only one of each person in the universe but that doesn't stop us. Even with other species that we know to be rare in the universe like dodos their increased rarity hardly stayed our hand. If we allow the idea for the moment that rarity increases value it doesn't follow that that value is going to be compassionate in nature, it may well take the form of being valued because of our skins or because we make interesting gladiators, being valued on exactly the same terms as we have valued other unique species in our history.




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#9 10 years ago

To be fair, we have started conservation projects and the such, it was just very recently I think that people cottoned on to the fact that dead means forever.

because we make interesting gladiators

I don't think so. Humans are generally pretty fragile.




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#10 10 years ago

Nemmerle;4272800They could increase the amount of sentience in the universe by populating it themselves if they were that bothered.

There's only one of each person in the universe but that doesn't stop us. Even with other species that we know to be rare in the universe like dodos their increased rarity hardly stayed our hand. If we allow the idea for the moment that rarity increases value it doesn't follow that that value is going to be compassionate in nature, it may well take the form of being valued because of our skins or because we make interesting gladiators, being valued on exactly the same terms as we have valued other unique species in our history.[/quote]

That seems an extremely overly pessimistic attitude. Would a human astronaut, if a life form was found on another planet, hunt it for amusement or for what it's worth? Hardly. I find it exceedingly unlikely that a species even more advanced would do such a thing. You also have to take into account the mindset of the individual engaging in space exploration. Someone who would kill newly found alien creatures for amusement certainly isn't the sort that would make it that far.

[quote=Archmage Cleps;4272812]I don't think so. Humans are generally pretty fragile.

Who knows, there's nothing saying an alien life form might not be less fragile. Considering humans are pretty robust by earth standards, why assume they would be fragile compared to some alien standards? Of course, such an estimation is impossible to make since there is no way whatsoever to predict how an as our current knowledge nonexistent alien life form would be like.