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Joe Bonham

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#1 11 years ago
I see no other animal destroying each other with such vigor (apart from the ones bred to do so),

An ant will destroy any intruder into it's nest, including ants from other colonies. A male tiger will destroy any competitor that attempts to enter his territory. Male lions will slaughter the cubs of defeated competitors. Many animals kill their young, and kill each other over territory and mating. Also consider this - while cannibalism is extremely rare in human societies, it is rampant in the animal kingdom. We have the conscious sense of morality to be disgusted by such a practice.

I see no other animals destroying everything around them for useless things.

Human don't do that either, except sociopaths.

Is a dolphin, a creature living the way it should, protecting it's group, destroying nothing and living in harmony with its surroundings really less smart than we are?

They are far less intelligent. Any trainer will tell you that dolphins and whales are as dumb as rocks. Those tricks you see them do took many months of work, and have many small steps in them. Many small steps are important - that way, if the dolphin forgets a bunch of them, it's not a big deal.

We're heading to destruction in one way or an other, and we've wiped out entire species of other animals and even tribes of our own kind just for our own benefit.

The earth existed for billions of years before man was around. What do you think happened to all those species that existed then? Did they just pack up and leave? No - they destroyed each other, directly by killing and eating, or indirectly by stealing food and territory.

We're screwing ourselves over. I'm not sure whether I should call that intelligent.

Explain how we're "screwing ourselves over".




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#2 11 years ago

This topic really bugs the crap out of me. Some people seem to think that there is a difference between the term life, and the term intellegent life. I for one think all life is intellegent. This varies widely on what you consider intellegence. All organisms have the ability to make choices. Plants, for example, have to descide how to grow. To get to sunlight, they most go through the canopy. They could choose to go either left or right. It has to make a choice, so if the amount of sunlight coming down from each side is the exact same, it must have the ability to choose. We cannot refer to humans as intellegent life because animals have food preferences. Bears are omnivorous, they eat anything, but prefer meat. We can't say that intellegent life must have a language like ours because we don't know if animals and plants have a language. They may send it through chemicals or other things.




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#3 11 years ago

We have intelligence because we have the capability of altering our environment almost perfectly to suit us. No other animal does this. All other forms of life must adapt to their surroundings.




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#4 11 years ago
Afterburner;3663882We have intelligence because we have the capability of altering our environment almost perfectly to suit us. No other animal does this. All other forms of life must adapt to their surroundings.

You're forgeting that humans had to adapt to make their environment suit them. We have to use up resources to control our environment. When crows build nests, they prefer to use shiny material because it has a better chance of attracting a mate.




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#5 11 years ago

But the difference is we adapt everything to suit us. All other forms of life have to adapt themselves to their environment. We are basically the only form of life that we know of that can live in almost any environment because we simply change the environment to suit us.




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#6 11 years ago

All life, but plant life, is intelligent, and plants are smart in their own way. A plant doesn't choose which way to grow, it simply grows where there is more light because cells reproduce there, rather than where cells cannot produce food (the dark).

From the bug to the bubble eyed gold fish, life is intelligent. It's simply different levels of complexity and ability. Many say that if an animal became as advanced as man, and man were as disadvantaged as an animal, animals would do the same to man as man has done to them, but ultimately we can't say this because animals haven't been given that choice.

We exist outside of the natural system, which, through it's chaos, creates a series of perfectly working systems, but through our orderly destruction, we can continue to upset the balances of the natural system and destroy it, which we are in the process of doing right now.

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#7 11 years ago
Afterburner;3663917But the difference is we adapt everything to suit us. All other forms of life have to adapt themselves to their environment. We are basically the only form of life that we know of that can live in almost any environment because we simply change the environment to suit us.

Bah , no no. Apes and primates change their environments. They build nest to sleep in high in the trees. They make tools to eat and they use leaves to keep the rain off their nests. They do not evolve to survive the cold wet rains, survive is not the word but you get the point I think. Many animals do not just evolve they use intelligence to adapt things to suit us. We do not adapt everything to suit us. OH no no , we still get whiped out by many of nature's sticks and stones.




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#8 11 years ago
briankory;3663962Bah , no no. Apes and primates change their environments. They build nest to sleep in high in the trees. They make tools to eat and they use leaves to keep the rain off their nests. They do not evolve to survive the cold wet rains, survive is not the word but you get the point I think. Many animals do not just evolve they use intelligence to adapt things to suit us. We do not adapt everything to suit us. OH no no , we still get whiped out by many of nature's sticks and stones.

And that is all them adapting to their environment. The apes build their nests in the trees because that is the home that best suits the environment. We simply cut down all the trees, pave the area, and put up homes. WE entirly change the environment.




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#9 11 years ago

Yes, but we can live all over the world, name a (reasonable) spot in the world, and someone will find a way to make it habitable. The only places we cannot sustain ourselves are Mt. Everest and central Antarctica. Even coyotes can't live in those places. That is proof, in my mind, that we are the smartest species.

We can solve almost every problem nature throws at us, with the exception of drought(which can be averted, but only through years of planning and a well-developed system).




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#10 11 years ago
Afterburner;3663970And that is all them adapting to their environment. The apes build their nests in the trees because that is the home that best suits the environment. We simply cut down all the trees, pave the area, and put up homes. WE entirly change the environment.

It is great to create and destroy. Apes building nests is no different than a father who builds a crib.




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