International Piracy Issue 72 replies

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AegenemmnoN Advanced Member

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#11 12 years ago

They be in search o' the Black Pearl, boys!




Karst

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#12 12 years ago

Funny how everyone seems to be discussing how to best defeat the pirates, but forget to mention the causes of piracy in Somalia: years and years without a functioning government, wars and unrest have turned Somalia into one of the poorest countries in the world. The fish-rich waters off the Horn of Africa are being exploited by Western fishing companies and used to dump toxic waste. Is anyone really surprised there is piracy?

In a country like Somalia there will always be enough people desperate enough to resort to violence and extortion for money. Why would killing a handful of them make any difference?




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#13 12 years ago
Karst;4863243Funny how everyone seems to be discussing how to best defeat the pirates, but forget to mention the causes of piracy in Somalia: years and years without a functioning government, wars and unrest have turned Somalia into one of the poorest countries in the world. The fish-rich waters off the Horn of Africa are being exploited by Western fishing companies and used to dump toxic waste. Is anyone really surprised there is piracy?

Alright, so that is the cause. What do you want me to do about it? Their government, or lack of it, is their problem, not mine. If they want a functioning government, they'll have to work on getting one. The best we can do it contain the problem.

Also, just a note, from everything I've read the problem of illegal dumping in their waters is solely from European ships, not from any US ones.




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#14 12 years ago
Smitty025;4863263Alright, so that is the cause. What do you want me to do about it? Their government, or lack of it, is their problem, not mine. If they want a functioning government, they'll have to work on getting one. The best we can do it contain the problem.

I don't want or expect you to do anything about it. But since this a debate forum, I felt like pointing out that killing pirates never has and never will stop piracy.

The numbers of those killed are like a drop in an....ocean. Somalia has a population growth rate of nearly 3%. Poverty -> lots of desperate people -> people resorting to violence Pirates are just the symptom.

Also, just a note, from everything I've read the problem of illegal dumping in their waters is solely from European ships, not from any US ones.

I doubt the Somalis care about the nationality of the ships' crews dumping waste. The relevant part is that they simply shouldn't be doing it, whoever they are or where they come from.




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#15 12 years ago
AegenemmnoN;4862740They be in search o' the Black Pearl, boys!

I was waiting for someone to post something along those lines LOL

Karst, it is a relevant part but you can't put the sole blame on the US; it's a compound of many different issues all bottled up into one giant problem.




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#16 12 years ago
RedDevilXLT;4863519Karst, it is a relevant part but you can't put the sole blame on the US; it's a compound of many different issues all bottled up into one giant problem.

Er....what? I agree, I guess?




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#17 12 years ago
Rich19;4862618I doubt the pirates are organised enough. Besides, they're taking hostages for the money, not for ideological reasons. Dead hostages don't get the pirates nearly so much ransom money as live ones...

So it seems I was a bit wrong about that:

BBC NEWS | World | Africa | French warship captures pirates

Pirates have vowed to avenge the deaths of those killed in recent rescue operations by US and French forces.

After the attack on Liberty Sun, one pirate told AFP news agency they had intended to destroy the ship and its crew.

Abdi Garad said: "The aim of this attack was totally different. We were not after a ransom.

It's good that the attacks were stopped, but something more far-reaching has to be done. Killing pirates at sea never stopped them in the past, becuase the conditions for people turning to piracy were still there.




Von Mudra

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#18 12 years ago

Interestingly, the constitution still allows for "letters of marque and reprisal" to be issued by the US government, to employ privateers to combat pirates. Ron Paul and a few others want to start issuing these again, to take the problem of the Navy's hands, and place it in private citizens:

Ron Paul's plan to fend off pirates - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

Honestly, I like the idea. Its within Congressional power, and companies like blackwater and such would easily have the training and the wherewithal to be able to pull this off. You really just need a few boats with 20mm cannon, and its done.




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#19 12 years ago

Von Mudra;4864312Interestingly, the constitution still allows for "letters of marque and reprisal" to be issued by the US government, to employ privateers to combat pirates. Ron Paul and a few others want to start issuing these again, to take the problem of the Navy's hands, and place it in private citizens:

Ron Paul's plan to fend off pirates - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

Honestly, I like the idea. Its within Congressional power, and companies like blackwater and such would easily have the training and the wherewithal to be able to pull this off. You really just need a few boats with 20mm cannon, and its done.

It might be good for defending against attacks against pirates, but I wouldn't want them being involved in hostage rescues.




Von Mudra

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#20 12 years ago

As far as I know, its for actually attacking the pirate ships/defending against the pirate attacks. hostage rescues would still fall under the jurisdiction of the US gov.