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Karst

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#41 11 years ago
Anlushac11;4869630Takes what, 15 years to raise a pirate?

What, it takes fifteen years to give someone poor a gun and telling them they can make millions?

We can take them out of action by arresting them or by lethal force in a matter of minutes. I think the odds are slightly in our favor.

Yes, we can take out a handful in a month. But what odds are you speaking of? It's obvious any organized Navy has better odds in combat against pirates with motorboats, AK's and RPG's. But that would only be a factor if all pirates could somehow be convinced to join a naval battle at an arranged time and location. Pirates boarding a merchant or leisure vessel won't care in the least how many of them a French, American or any other navy vessel could arrest or kill.




Von Mudra

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#42 11 years ago

No, it takes 15 years to become 15 years old, Karst ;)




Karst

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#43 11 years ago
Von Mudra;4869987No, it takes 15 years to become 15 years old, Karst ;)

I already took that into account for my highly inaccurate estimate.




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#44 11 years ago

Von Mudra;4869306Because not everyone there is a pirate or a warlord xD[/QUOTE]

Then what are they? A peace-loving, law-abiding citizen with no history of what could be considered criminal activity?

WarForgerWhy don't we just nuke all our enemies? [/QUOTE] Thats what im asking!!!

WarForger Not everyone we fire at is a enemy, it is very likely we would hit more civilian targets then enemy targets,

How many locations in a warlord-run state are not worthy targets? We cant shoot the schools that create these pirates? The hospitals that heal them?

Give them a 96 hour notice. GTFO. Then, nuclear carpet bomb every inch of Somolia. Im telling you, this would work.

[QUOTE=WarForger] second of all its bad for the environment,

But great for the economy! You need to hire people to work on rebuilding our nuclear weapons stock after we dumped enough to blow up Mars on a tiny ass little country.

[QUOTE=WarForger] and last of all, it would give us a bad reputation and make us lose some of our allies.

Oh cuz we have so many of those right now. :rolleyes:

I say fuck it. What do we have to lose? The world hates us, the economy sucks, this would be an awesome event! Then we can nuke the economy if it doesnt act right.




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#45 11 years ago

NiteStryker;4870307But great for the economy! You need to hire people to work on rebuilding our nuclear weapons stock after we dumped enough to blow up Mars on a tiny ass little country.[/QUOTE]

If we used enough nuclear weapons to destroy Mars, don't you think we might just destroy this nice little planet we are on?

[QUOTE=Anlushac11]What i find surprising is the UN mandate to fight the Pirates has no provisions to arrest the pirates. Several warships have intercepted pirates, disarmed, them, and released them since they had no legal authority to charge them with anything.

Guns can easily be replaced, people not quite as easily.

Hold on, let me be sure I understand this. You are surprised that a UN mandate doesn't do something effectively?




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#46 11 years ago

Uhhh if there going to schools in there childhood its likely that they won't become pirates, there mostly just tribes peoples, like I said somewhere, Pirates are created when people in horrible conditions, of poverty, they look and see these ships coming in, with all these chocolates, toys and electronics, knowing they will never get any of that, they then become pirates when they grow up.

Of course we have alot of allies -China -Russia -European Union -Israel -Japan -Phillipeans -Australia -African Governments -South America -Canada -Turkey

Those are just come of them, now you may not agree, but would these countries allow U.S. troops to enter them for there good? Would they help them in there wars? YES

The problem is the pirates, not Somalia itself, Somalia does not shelter them willingly. Now if it were Iran, Pakistan or Afghanistan it would start to make sense.

Also, why don't we just kill all of our criminals? Why not just send them to some inhabited Island and nuke it? Or better yet, let's nuke the state the criminals are in, or better yet deport them to Kenya then Nuke the hell out of Kenya.

It would work, but at what cost? We'd be TRULY comparable to the Nazi's after that.




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#47 11 years ago

OK,

1. Karst: I'm sure the ammunition strongholds in our Naval fleet carry enough ammo for every pirate in existence. :nodding:

2. Karst: they're called blackhawks and AC-130's. You can easily get these heavily fortified aircraft over great distances that can easily intercept and destroy any pirate. The military has advanced A LOT since WWII; we don't need defined front lines to fight on. That stopped in Vietnam.

3. Warforger: The Nazi's mass murdered 10's of millions of innocents. We would be killing murderers and criminals....I don't see a similarity.




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#48 11 years ago

RedDevilXLT;4871044OK,

1. Karst: I'm sure the ammunition strongholds in our Naval fleet carry enough ammo for every pirate in existence. :nodding:

2. Karst: they're called blackhawks and AC-130's. You can easily get these heavily fortified aircraft over great distances that can easily intercept and destroy any pirate. The military has advanced A LOT since WWII; we don't need defined front lines to fight on. That stopped in Vietnam.

3. Warforger: The Nazi's mass murdered 10's of millions of innocents. We would be killing murderers and criminals....I don't see a similarity.

:banghead:

You CAN'T just solve this by military means. Instead of getting a hardon over US military technology, try actually thinking about the situation. Why are the pirates there in the first place? Is it that they are planning on taking on the navy single handedly? (Note - the US component is only a small part of the anti-pirate force).

No. The pirates need to make a living, and due to the social conditions in Somalia, piracy offers them their best chance at that. And so until you deal with the root cause of piracy, your ships do not even come close to "enough ammo for every pirate in existance". And anyway, you need to find the pirates first, before they hijack innocent vessels.

Also, what's this about front lines? The front lines are the shipping lanes around Somalia, like it or not. You can't just fly your "heavily fortified aircraft" over to piratistan and take out some uniformed soldiers or anything.




RedDevilXLT

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#49 11 years ago

1. yes, you can solve it militarily. What are we supposed to do? open schools for them and support their corrupted government with more of MY money? fuck that. shoot 'em and let them learn the hard way that piracy is not the answer.

2. Uhhh, yes they do carry that much ammunition in various forms from shells to bullets to missiles. My entire family on my mother's side is in the Navy, including 1 Chief of Munitions. I've seen what a small ship can carry, let alone a massive battle ship or destroyer.

3. You don't think they're patrolling that area now? Somalia has no navy and requested the help of the UN, so if that's the "front line," then we've taken it to them.

4. I do, however, agree that they need to get to the pirates before the hijackings. That's a tough one BUT with diligence and patience, you can get them and EVENTUALLY these pirates and those thinking about piracy will seriously consider the possibility of death for their crimes. If you keep killing them without hesitation, they'll realize maybe it's not worth the risk and the numbers will drop. It won't be eradicated, but it will be reduced.




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#50 11 years ago

RedDevilXLT;48711091. yes, you can solve it militarily. What are we supposed to do? open schools for them and support their corrupted government with more of MY money? fuck that. shoot 'em and let them learn the hard way that piracy is not the answer. [/quote]

No, you can't. There is not a set number of pirates to find and kill. By leaving the situation in Somalia the way it is, you're just creating a space to be filled by another desperate person. I'm not saying the military should not be there, but they should serve to protect shipping while a long term solution (in the form of helping get Somalia back on its feet) is put in place.

RedDevilXLT;48711092. Uhhh, yes they do carry that much ammunition in various forms from shells to bullets to missiles. My entire family on my mother's side is in the Navy, including 1 Chief of Munitions. I've seen what a small ship can carry, let alone a massive battle ship or destroyer. [/quote]

You misunderstand me. I'll try and use an analogy to help me explain what I mean:

You're playing an FPS and come to a room where robots keep spawning continuously. They're coming out of a big machine with an on/off switch. Now, being General RedDevilXLT, you know that all it takes to stop a never-ending stream of robots is to shoot your way through all of them. You were prepared for this, you brought a lot of rounds.

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Six hours later, you're out of ammo and the robots are still coming out the machine. Of course, you're puzzled. You brought a lot of ammo! How can there be more robots?

The point was that unless your battleships are connected to an infinite supply of ammo (not to mention several fields to grow your own food etc), you are going to run out before the supply of pirates runs out.

[QUOTE=RedDevilXLT;4871109]3. You don't think they're patrolling that area now? Somalia has no navy and requested the help of the UN, so if that's the "front line," then we've taken it to them.

I know. Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant in the last post on this issue.

[QUOTE=RedDevilXLT;4871109]4. I do, however, agree that they need to get to the pirates before the hijackings. That's a tough one BUT with diligence and patience, you can get them and EVENTUALLY these pirates and those thinking about piracy will seriously consider the possibility of death for their crimes. If you keep killing them without hesitation, they'll realize maybe it's not worth the risk and the numbers will drop. It won't be eradicated, but it will be reduced.

Not worth the risk? Back on the land daily life is just as deadly, if not more so in the current situation. These people are not living in the African version of New York City. The country has been reduced to anarchy, and death is not something faced by merely the criminals.