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WarHawk109

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#21 13 years ago
Delta ForceWe will never go to war with Iran; Iran has neither the ability or resources to attack America. The key avoid this heating up is to just ignore them. Iran is incapable of doing any major offensive in the US. Let's hope that Iran does wipe out those stupid Israelis though, we would finally have no reason to be in that region. This is Israels problem, they can find their own fucking way to deal with it. I only hope Iran takes Israel with them, anything else is cool with me as long as the rest of the world is left alone.

This just reeks of anti-semitism.

The problem with Iran having nukes is not that they will attack America, but they will further destabalize the region. Think of the mess that would be caused by a nuclear war there, the region would be a complete right-off, and if you think gas prices are high now...well just you wait.




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#22 13 years ago
WarHawk109This just reeks of anti-semitism.

If I were to go around your posts saying "This reeks of islamophobia", I wouldn't have a life.




WarHawk109

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#23 13 years ago
EON_MagicManIf I were to go around your posts saying "This reeks of islamophobia", I wouldn't have a life.

give me some examples.




Delta Force

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#24 13 years ago

WarHawk109This just reeks of anti-semitism.[/QUOTE]

Maybe so, but Israel is no better than Iran. The only diffrance is that it is somehow politicaly incorrect to denounce Israel, doing so makes you a Nazi. Israel is pretty much a Jewish theocracy bent on concering the rest of the "Holy Land". Iran is a Islamic theocracy bent on taking back Israel and founding a new Palestienian state. I say the Iranians are right on the fact that we need to mind our own damn bussiness, if this were the 1980s and Saddam wanted a nuke, we'd let him have it (And we did, till Israel came around). You have clearly been brainwashed, if Iran was under the Shah still we'd have them have the nukes no questions asked.

[QUOTE=WarHawk109] The problem with Iran having nukes is not that they will attack America, but they will further destabalize the region. Think of the mess that would be caused by a nuclear war there, the region would be a complete right-off, and if you think gas prices are high now...well just you wait.

I don't really care if Iran has nukes, no nation with them has ever used them (Except for the US, but now you don't here people saying we don't deserve them and are irresponsable). What you guys fail to realise is that Iran has nothing to gain and so much to lose if it were to attack a neighboring nation. A bunch of radioactive oil ain't worth shit, especially if no one will but it from you cause your ass is embargoed.

Life ain't a videogame, naitons don't go to war for fun. Nations go to war to make an common enemy to unite the poplulation, (Iran-Iraq war: Iran was the mortal enemy of Iraq) to save themselves from attack (World War 2 after Poland invasion), or rarely to gain resources. Those are wars between nations. If Iran has nothing to gain and much to lose, why would it fight a war it will lose anyways?




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#25 13 years ago
WarHawk109pff why invade when you can just drop bombs?

Indeed: land invasion isn't required, just massive & accurate bombing campaign with special forces (if we have to come to that point in solving this problem).

Delta Force: Perhaps Iran wouldn't use nuclear weapons against it neighbours, but what we do when nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of the terrorists and before you know, some major suitcase-bomb explodes in the middle of Washington D.C, Paris or London?




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#26 13 years ago
Delta ForceMaybe so, but Israel is no better than Iran. The only diffrance is that it is somehow politicaly incorrect to denounce Israel, doing so makes you a Nazi. Israel is pretty much a Jewish theocracy bent on concering the rest of the "Holy Land". Iran is a Islamic theocracy bent on taking back Israel and founding a new Palestienian state. I say the Iranians are right on the fact that we need to mind our own damn bussiness, if this were the 1980s and Saddam wanted a nuke, we'd let him have it (And we did, till Israel came around). You have clearly been brainwashed, if Iran was under the Shah still we'd have them have the nukes no questions asked.

Israel is far from a theocracy, I thought it was being lead by moderates anyway?

And if we "minded our own business" from the begining we wouldn't even have a state of Israel, and if you like that idea then that makes you an anti-semite as well.

As for your Saddam and the Shah spiel, I'd recomend not getting all your info from Michael Moore. :p

I don't really care if Iran has nukes, no nation with them has ever used them (Except for the US, but now you don't here people saying we don't deserve them and are irresponsable). What you guys fail to realise is that Iran has nothing to gain and so much to lose if it were to attack a neighboring nation. A bunch of radioactive oil ain't worth shit, especially if no one will but it from you cause your ass is embargoed.

Life ain't a videogame, naitons don't go to war for fun. Nations go to war to make an common enemy to unite the poplulation, (Iran-Iraq war: Iran was the mortal enemy of Iraq) to save themselves from attack (World War 2 after Poland invasion), or rarely to gain resources. Those are wars between nations. If Iran has nothing to gain and much to lose, why would it fight a war it will lose anyways?

You assume those that lead Iran think and act rationaly. It is true that Iran upon aquiring nukes may not even use them, but can we really trust them given that their leader is a mad-man?




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#27 13 years ago
Relander Delta Force: Perhaps Iran wouldn't use nuclear weapons against it neighbours, but what we do when nuclear weapons find their way into the hands of the terrorists and before you know, some major suitcase-bomb explodes in the middle of Washington D.C, Paris or London?

Why would Iran sell/give terrorists it's most prized weapon? That too would be irrational, because the only nations that would do that would be Iran/North Korea. Think about what Iran could gain by having America nuked, the answer is nothing. It could possibly nuke Israel, but then again why would it want to do that (Israel likely has had nukes since the 70s)? Israel may be Irans declared enemy but even a madman like the Iranian President knows the US would just crush his nation, if not nuke hime back. Bush wouldn't even need proof, all he'd have to do would be pull some good old Bush trick and in a month Iran would be under US occupation.

I trust the US Homeland Defense (Maybe a bit too much) but I don't think we coudl ever be attacked by a nuke. You would have fun time getting it throuh the radiation detectors we have at our ports. A terrorist attack using simple weapons (Ak-47s, carbombs, even chemical weapons) would be more effective (Pysologicaly) use of resources, more likely to succed, and cheaper too.




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#28 13 years ago
Delta ForceWhy would Iran sell/give terrorists it's most prized weapon? That too would be irrational, because the only nations that would do that would be Iran/North Korea. Think about what Iran could gain by having America nuked, the answer is nothing.

Iran would give/sell terrorists a nuclear weapon because Iran is a known supporter of terrorism. By nuking America, Iran could show how powerful nation they are & get a lot of political influence in Middle East, terrorism would get more support, national pride would rise even more and the influence of the USA in Middle East would weaken in near future. And same applies for nuking London or Paris too. If Iran would execute nuking as covert-operation, succesfully deleting its traces, it still would have its profits and Iran could get away with it: the blame could be put on North Korea, users of disappeared Russian nuclear material or Iran could just say that one of their nuclear devices was stolen in a terrorist attack. It's an other question if these explanations would be credible.

Besides, who said that Iran would have just one nuclear bomb once it acquires the technology to produce them?

It could possibly nuke Israel, but then again why would it want to do that (Israel likely has had nukes since the 70s)?

Because Iran has wanted to wipe off Israel from the face of the earth since its birth, the madman rules the country and Iran wants to help the Palestinians.

Israel may be Irans declared enemy but even a madman like the Iranian President knows the US would just crush his nation, if not nuke hime back. Bush wouldn't even need proof, all he'd have to do would be pull some good old Bush trick and in a month Iran would be under US occupation.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shown his determination in destroying Israel and he has a full support of Iranian political and religious leadership. I don't think we can trust on this man.

Furthermore, you seem to underestimate the Iranians and their will to fight. Iraq had a population of 27 million when the Coalition attacked in March 2003 whereas Iran has almost 69 million people. Unlike Iraq, Iran is deeply islamic country, its population has some real national pride and the mountaneous terrain isn't suitable for large ground offensive.

I trust the US Homeland Defense (Maybe a bit too much) but I don't think we coudl ever be attacked by a nuke. You would have fun time getting it throuh the radiation detectors we have at our ports.

There's always a loophole to get a small nuclear device through into the USA. You don't seem to be worried if London or Paris (for example) would be bombed, do you?

P.S. USMA: I made a comeback couple of weeks ago now that I have enough time to participate in discussion here as I have so many weekend leaves from the army. Just five weeks and I will be provisioning NCO of AT-Company :)




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#29 13 years ago

I think you overestimate just how much support Ahmadinejad actually has. He might be noisy, but he's a relatively weak political figure. Most people in Iran would rather he delivered on his promises of a stronger economy and a better life for Iran's poor than making speech after speech denouncing the evil Zionist conspiracy. I think the strength of Iran's nationalist pride, which is high as you rightly pointed out, comes less from actually having nuclear power or nuclear weapons, and more from standing up to the USA and EU, who are often perceived as arrogant and overbearing in matters which they have no right to be interfering.

Nuking Israel would not help the Palestinians in any way. They want their land back as it is now, not once it's been flame grilled and microwaved by an Iranian nuke.




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#30 13 years ago

Like i said before. If Iran wants to grow up and join the "Big Boys Club" with nukes. they need to act like a responsible nation. Going around having "Death to Everyone" parades does not accomplish this and until they get their shiat together we are going to hold them accountable for the dumbshiat they say and do. If a man walks around the neighborhood talking about how much he wants to kill "******s and wetbacks" do you think anybody is going to feel good letting him buy a gun? Same situation here. Iran acts like a bellicose retard with some of their statements so the world doesnt take them seriously and then Iran gets pissed for not being taken seriously so it makes more dumb comments....

but hey thats how vicous cycles work.

I apologize for the salty language as well.