IS homosexuality an effect of mental illness? 168 replies

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Liquid fire

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#161 14 years ago

Tas please forgive my arrogance you and I seem to be on the same side in that we believe it can be reversed or mentaly conditioned.

Ok here it goes I am going to explain what I feel to be the decision life long making process. I'll post it later, take awhile.

Saquist I believe it is a decision yes but I also believe that their are all levels of decisions, conditoned , subconcious, fully aware etc etc.

The total number of decisions you will make in any struggle does not increase; your chance of success in realizing your goals is directly proportionate to the ratio of conscious decisions to subconscious decisions.If you seem to be going nowhere in life, you probably make very few conscious decisions. Life just seems to happen to you. However, the only major factor in this passive role in life is the amount of conscious control over decisions you make (heavily related to the concept of awareness). Nothing can remove the need to make a decision once confronted with the choice. But if you are not aware of your opportunity to consciously decide your action (and hence influence the outcome), you will simply let your subconscious decide, which inevitable results in action based on past habits — and rarely based on good habits.




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#162 14 years ago
Saquist;3654911It's value...isn't for your to determine. It's for me.

Normally you would be right, but since this is a discussion and you were addressing me, it’s all about what I value it as.

Then lets just say yo went against your word and there for contradicted the worth you put in my position by returning.

Incorrect, since you finally said something apart from “it’s a choice” I felt like replying once more.

It is a choice. when we focus instead of on the bad to the good we can change how we feel.

Why would someone consciously deceive themselves like that in a matter of emotion? Even if someone were to do that, it would hardly account for most people.

Unfortunatly the older the get the more restricted in open thinking there is. More than likely age will not help you at all.

Due to your deleted post I cannot reply to this.

It's not meant to have weight with you. Perhaps you should think about that.

I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion, pardon my mistake.

Foolish in that you think that it weak...it's circumstantial not pointless it could support either side, from a certain point of view...not from mine. I've seen enough to know that love even attraction is a matter of both conscious and unconscious choices.

Your word™ against my word™.

You also have a choice to feel or not to feel.

I’ve checked my head to locate the port to which my emotion chip is connected, Dr Sung must have created me differently from Data, as I cannot turn off my feelings at will.

But can you question it's origin?

Sure, my flawed human brain. But since it’s all I have I’m forced to work with what it gives me.

This is an example of you being controled. Here too you have a choice instead of chosing consciously you attached your self to the predetermine inclination.

I don’t see the choice, to avoid ignorance I accept all reliable information so I can reasonably form an opinion, as every person should.

The explore why...because you haven't explored why. I like blue because the color is everywhere. I chose it because it's the farthest from a femine color. It's energizing.

No, I just like red.

A ridiculous notion. We are in control of our feelings no one tells us how to feel...spirit of coporeal. Human is taking responsibility for our own actions.

Like I said earlier, I’m not Data, I’m not a robot. Feelings come and go at will, the only control there is, is to act upon them or not.

I do know you. And despite what ever blinders you attempt to put up over the internet it does not blind me from the interaction we've had over the past year. You may assume that I don't know you. For comfort sake. But, I do. I know your personality and if asked "do I know 13Raptor", I would say yes and proceed to describe my knowledge about the individual. To say I don't know you is to deny the interaction we've had in the past...That's a defense mechanism.

You “know“ me as far as my postings here let you know , I very much doubt you have the ability to accurately judge my actual character.

Your actions and your feelings are linked to what you practice.

Stating the obvious here? What you practice and your actions are the same, and often yeah our feelings determine what we end up doing, your point is?

Not in the greater scheme...which is my focus. In the long term we can change how we feel toward anything...IT takes time and effort but a person can lern to love badness or come to learn good...

Not without reason or delusion.

That's right...over time with consistency that behavior and desire can be changed. It requires more than an external stimuli it takes mearsued internal control

It's all about focus and practice over a long period of time. That's how it starts and that's how one corrects one's feelings.

See my previous response.




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#163 14 years ago

Great post...:roflmao: I'll have to respond tomorrow. seeya later




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#164 14 years ago
The explore why...because you haven't explored why. I like blue because the color is everywhere. I chose it because it's the farthest from a femine color. It's energizing.

Actually if I'm not mistaken it's goes more like this

I subconsciously like blue Thus I find rational excuses why I like blue and add to it, why I don't like pink for instance.

Some homosexuals get their preference from what they lived trough, others are born with it. I'd say, that even if you decided to do your best to love someone of the same gender, saquist, you could never force yourself past a certain mental block.

this block is probably weaker in females, due to the more dominant femine social aspect, but it exists nevertheless




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#165 14 years ago

wraithcat;3655158Actually if I'm not mistaken it's goes more like this

I subconsciously like blue Thus I find rational excuses why I like blue and add to it, why I don't like pink for instance.

Some homosexuals get their preference from what they lived trough, others are born with it. I'd say, that even if you decided to do your best to love someone of the same gender, saquist, you could never force yourself past a certain mental block.

this block is probably weaker in females, due to the more dominant femine social aspect, but it exists nevertheless

Another brilliant post.




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#166 14 years ago
Tas;3655046Normally you would be right, but since this is a discussion and you were addressing me, it’s all about what I value it as.

That statement had no open address to you but if you wish to evaluate it as your property, feel free. My open air responses have mulitple purposes

Incorrect, since you finally said something apart from “it’s a choice” I felt like replying once more.

You changed your mind and thus you actually did find this line of reason worth responding to? Shock! My premise was correct.

Why would someone consciously deceive themselves like that in a matter of emotion? Even if someone were to do that, it would hardly account for most people.

It really doesn't matter what setiment you attach to it. It is indeed possible. But whether you're willing to admit it or not we agree here. Most people don't do it.

I’m sorry, I thought we were having a discussion, pardon my mistake.

It is infact a debate. Not merely a discussion.

Your word™ against my word™.

It's more like the veracity of my word. I set out the premise you're just using it.

I’ve checked my head to locate the port to which my emotion chip is connected, Dr Sung must have created me differently from Data, as I cannot turn off my feelings at will.

Yes I know, most people infact the vast majority are unpracticed with controling there feelings.

Sure, my flawed human brain. But since it’s all I have I’m forced to work with what it gives me.

Origin refering from where and why these feeling occur. Reflection and self analysis. Both things people are generaly unpracticed.

I don’t see the choice, to avoid ignorance

I accept all reliable information so I can reasonably form an opinion, as every person should.

That's very good.

Like I said earlier, I’m not Data, I’m not a robot. Feelings come and go at will, the only control there is, is to act upon them or not.

There is more. You can learn to control them. You can chose a focus. Instead of feeling sad your can feel content, Instead of angry you can choses to reflect on joy. It's a choice...and the choices you make to direct your focus can help steer your emotions...

It's funny you bring in a little Sci Fi. "Governing your emotions" means more than just controling your reactions to them it's active feeling....choosing to direct yourself. Feelings emerge mostly unchecked from us. Pschiatrist would say that emotional reactions are learned responses and instinctual responses....babies cry because of discontent and displeasure...we as a adult cry for very different reasons...it's little to do with the physcial.

You “know“ me as far as my postings here let you know , I very much doubt you have the ability to accurately judge my actual character.

I wouldn't openly challenge that. But yes...I "know" you (as if you've been disguising your character.) according to you postings. I'am very observant of everyone.

Stating the obvious here? What you practice and your actions are the same, and often yeah our feelings determine what we end up doing, your point is?

To find aggrement.




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#167 14 years ago

It will take a few days before i can reply to this.




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#168 14 years ago

I know you understand what I'm saying. Not making a choice is a choice. Because there is a choice to be made. As long as theres a choice even not making a choice is a choice.




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#169 14 years ago

Good, then, that we found out that there isn't a choice.