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#1 6 years ago

Not sure if anyone posted this video here or discussed it yet, but I wanted to talk about it some.

I seen this video when it was first posted, and for years I have been trying to explain to people what I believe. That even though I don't go to church I love Jesus Christ and I try my best everyday to live for him. Though, I have had family members who go to church even friends who consider themselves Atheist say that I am lying, that I do not love God and I am not a good person.

As human, we all make mistakes. None of us are perfect. God still loves and forgives. So over the years I have hated Religion, hated the Church. Because they don't follow the Bible, they don't follow love. They judge.

And that's why I think people hate the Church so much, is because of the Christians we have today who think they are high and mighty, who think they are better then the rest of us, who toss people from their church for the way they look, act or speak. They are not following the love of God, they are following themselves.

The belief of God is fading more and more everyday. So today when I say I love God, I get looked down on. I get told I'm wrong for what I believe. And I believe in love! But then I look at myself, I'm lucky. I look at other Christians across the world, if they were saying the same thing I'm saying right now they would get killed. Hearing stories of these martyrs, gives me more strength to stand up and not be afraid to say I love God and I would gladly die for him. And I know that's something most "Christians" can't say.

I don't go off and preach to people and shove the bible down their throat. I try to live my life how God wants me too. Show people compassion and love. But I do hope they see how I live my life, how happy I am and they will want to know my God and I will tell them.

Back to what I was saying at the beginning, when I seen this video it made me happy! Finally someone who get's me, who knows what they are talking about.




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#3 6 years ago

Haha, yeah I have seen that video before.

You got to remember Religion is man made. All this man is doing is mocking Jesus Christ. Why go off and hate on something you don't believe in?

God does not ask for much. All he wants is for you to live your life for him. To spread love and live life good. He does not hold you down and throw rules after rules upon you. He wants you happy and in a good place.

Still, God gave us the right to hate or love him. I choose love. Still doesn't mean he looks down on the people that decided to hate him, because no matter what he will always love them.




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#4 6 years ago

Here's one of the better comments that I read. I think that it summarizes Chan's view of Jesus vs Religion, as well as my own.

YouTube commenter guyYour definition of religion is flawed. Religion is believing that if you follow some rules and go to church, you can be considered holy and righteous before God. He is saying in that video(you should probably watch it people, not just the tirade against it) is that Jesus isn't interested in putting some rules in front of you and saying "Do these. Good luck." He is only interested in saying to you, "You can't follow these, so let me help you." Jesus>religion.

I found all of TheAmazingAthiest's points to be either weak or out of context. The worst is when people trying to disprove the integrity of the Bible find "contradictions" through a cross between verses because they decided to blow one (or both) of the verses way out of context or without reading the entire paragraph, chapter, etc.

I've come to the conclusion that most people now-a-days hate Christianity, specifically, (I define Christianity to be somebody who believes in Christ, has faith in Christ, and follows Christ) because Christianity doesn't tell them what they want to hear. People don't like being told that they are flawed. Jesus told it how it was and the people that reject him are too prideful to admit to it or love life on earth to much to want to do anything about it. Tis a shame, really.

The Pharisees practiced religion. The Pharisees were self-righteous and legalistic and Jesus condemned them for that. This is where both Atheists and Christians have common ground; distaste for religion. You're supposed to put your follow God and put your faith in God, not religion. Where did religion ever get the Pharisees? Nowhere good, I'm sure.




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#5 6 years ago

Skanker;5625770 I found all of TheAmazingAthiest's points to be either weak or out of context. The worst is when people trying to disprove the integrity of the Bible find "contradictions" through a cross between verses because they decided to blow one (or both) of the verses way out of context or without reading the entire paragraph, chapter, etc..[/QUOTE]

Context is for the most part irrelevant when disputing facts. Tremendously important things, like locations, times, numerical values, ect... they matter. Many religions espouse incoherent and vaguely written religious texts that are so loosely formed, that they can be twisted to suit just about any cause or meaning and there’s a litany of history demonstrating just that. Quote-mining is one thing, having two entirely different messages is something else altogether. That's without actually entertaining the content within these versus and passages. Some of which could understandably so; be juxtaposed against a psychopath.

Skanker;5625770 I've come to the conclusion that most people now-a-days hate Christianity, specifically, (I define Christianity to be somebody who believes in Christ, has faith in Christ, and follows Christ) because Christianity doesn't tell them what they want to hear. People don't like being told that they are flawed. Jesus told it how it was and the people that reject him are too prideful to admit to it or love life on earth to much to want to do anything about it. Tis a shame, really. [/QUOTE] I don’t have the time to explain how skewed this is. So instead I’ll simply refer anyone interested to a site which contains an extensive library on the subject.

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Skanker;5625770 The Pharisees practiced religion. The Pharisees were self-righteous and legalistic and Jesus condemned them for that. This is where both Atheists and Christians have common ground; distaste for religion. You're supposed to put your follow God and put your faith in God, not religion. Where did religion ever get the Pharisees? Nowhere good, I'm sure.[/QUOTE] From this I read that Jews have been persecuted justifiably. Most notable though, is the disconnection between religion & jesus, as if the latter isn’t entirely dependent on the prior. You have to give credit where it’s due. Were it not for religion, no one would even know he supposedly existed.

LustyxChan;5625751Haha, yeah I have seen that video before.

Yeah it was the 1st in my brief search.

[QUOTE=LustyxChan;5625751] You got to remember Religion is man made. All this man is doing is mocking Jesus Christ. Why go off and hate on something you don't believe in?

I don't think many people ever forget that part. I also don’t believe he was hating, a much as he was pointing out some of the loose logic passed off as epiphany worthy. Theamazingatheist downplays intellectual hum-drum in order to appeal to the loud and obnoxious majority, and the underpinnings of his argument about the disconnection between christ and religion are fairly obvious.

[QUOTE=LustyxChan;5625751] God does not ask for much. All he wants is for you to live your life for him. To spread love and live life good. He does not hold you down and throw rules after rules upon you. He wants you happy and in a good place.

Literally asks? Alright. Live a “good life” though, now that makes sense. Cathedrals without opulence are like vagrant children with great prospects. It doesn’t happen.

[QUOTE=LustyxChan;5625751] Still, God gave us the right to hate or love him. I choose love. Still doesn't mean he looks down on the people that decided to hate him, because no matter what he will always love them.

So failure to believe in that which can not be demonstrated or proved, equates to hate? That’s a tad prejudiced if you ask me. But what do I know right? Heathen that I supposedly am. ;)




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#6 6 years ago

I find that most things>religion. For example, the character of Spiderman. I'm not about to start dedicating my life to him and I feel sorry for those that do, but he certainly beats religion.

SkankerI've come to the conclusion that most people now-a-days hate Christianity, specifically, (I define Christianity to be somebody who believes in Christ, has faith in Christ, and follows Christ) because Christianity doesn't tell them what they want to hear. People don't like being told that they are flawed.

People don't like being told that their whole existence is defined by the sadistic punishments doled out to their fictional ancestors by a mythical being, no, and considering there isn't any need for a supernatural explanation of humanity's failings it's not surprising that they don't.




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#7 6 years ago

He chose bad terms - he should have said church and religion; then he could have contrasted the power structure on the one hand and the belief on the other.

As it is he's got a poem that could mean almost anything. Even now, I'm not sure whether he actually means stuff in line what I'm writing or whether I'm just being overly charitable.

Skanker;5625770I've come to the conclusion that most people now-a-days hate Christianity, specifically, (I define Christianity to be somebody who believes in Christ, has faith in Christ, and follows Christ) because Christianity doesn't tell them what they want to hear. People don't like being told that they are flawed. Jesus told it how it was and the people that reject him are too prideful to admit to it or love life on earth to much to want to do anything about it. Tis a shame, really.

There's a difference between telling someone they're filth, and telling someone they're flawed and how to fix it. I work with people who do martial arts all the time, and they're happy when you tell them - no look, this way works better. I worked with scholars for years, and they were quite happy to be given little tricks that made things better, or bits of information they didn't have. I remember archery clubs where you'd point out flaws in what people were doing, and they were pleased to hear it....

Christianity isn't just hated because it tells people they're flawed. People get told that all the time and as long as you're not an arse about it, as long as your fault analysis is constructive, they tend to take it fairly well. Christianity is not a constructive fault analysis; that's why it's disliked. Christianity accuses, but it offers no practical solutions unless you believe in Christ. To a people who don't believe in Christ it just accuses.

So yes, it's disliked because it says stuff that people don't like - but that's not really the sole reason.

And before someone comes in and says that we should believe in Christ then, I have to point out that faith is not a choice. And to suggest the contrary is very insulting. Many people spend years looking for faith; something, anything they can believe in. I'm not sure whether that's a virtuous activity, but to suggest that they don't honestly look is.....

Yeah. I don't think I can any more believe in Christ than I can believe the sky is red. Beliefs have to meet certain standards of evidence, or exploit some blind-spot of inference or pattern matching, in order to be taken seriously.




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#8 6 years ago
Sedistix;5625791 I don't think many people ever forget that part. I also don’t believe he was hating, a much as he was pointing out some of the loose logic passed off as epiphany worthy.

Look at the title of his video, just saying.

I have a few friends that are Atheists (And most Atheists I have met except for a few that), it's to the point where I won't even try to have a friendly discussion about my faith because all they do is bash on me, mock Christ and the Bible, will never allow me to get a single word in (But it doesn't mean I let them get to me). Why do most people Atheists or not who don't believe in the Christian faith must go off and hate on the people? Try to prove it wrong? Point out "flaws"? Etc.

“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.” - John 15:18

Where is the love?

Just because I don't believe in something, you don't see me going off and making a big deal about it. Trying to prove it wrong and pretty much saying what other people believe in other then me is stupid. But I'm not going to say that for other Christians either.

I believe in Christ. There are people out there who do not and I respect that. God gave everyone the freedom of choice to believe in what we choose too. And yes, some people have to hide what they believe in, because of fear, but we all to have the freedom to say "Yes I believe in Christ or No I do not". Yes it can take people a life time to find what they believe in or not.




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LustyxChan;5625914Look at the title of his video, just saying.

I have a few friends that are Atheists (And most Atheists I have met except for a few that), it's to the point where I won't even try to have a friendly discussion about my faith because all they do is bash on me, mock Christ and the Bible, will never allow me to get a single word in (But it doesn't mean I let them get to me). Why do most people Atheists or not who don't believe in the Christian faith must go off and hate on the people? Try to prove it wrong? Point out "flaws"? Etc.

You're endorsing a belief system that says they're filthy scum, worthy - depending upon the specific branch of Christianity - either to flash into non-existence or burn in hell for all eternity. In all honesty: how could you possibly expect them to respond any other way?

If I walked up to someone and told them that I thought they shouldn't get an abortion, or that their gay love was wrong or whatever, I'd expect to get my face smashed in. Christians get off light in that regard, people just call you crazy - if they held you to the same standard that we hold non-religious people, there probably wouldn't be any Christians left....

I mean it's not like we're out picketing churches or anything. You don't get the pushy door to door atheism salesmen the same way you get the pushy door to door religion salesmen. If you don't want to hear that people think your beliefs are silly - stop making a point out of them.

Seriously - when, other than you raising the issue of your Christianity yourself, have people bothered talking to you about it? I don't recall anyone here having a go at you over it before. Maybe there are just different standards for religious debate in the 'states, but in the UK you just don't talk about religion most of the time. It's not like you walk up to someone and go 'So, just checking - are you Christian?'




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#10 6 years ago

Jesus was a dick and God is a super dick

If you read the bible you'd know that