Joe Biden update: He meets on transparency today. But the meeting is closed 11 replies

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EO Violation

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#1 11 years ago

Can you get a better script than that?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/01/joe-biden-update.html

"In fact, today's Biden schedule highlight is a meeting with the chief of transparency for economic recovery. But, unfortunately, the transparency meeting is non-transparent, closed to the press. (See his full schedule below.) Which makes it -- what? -- secret openness? Open secrecy?"

Republicans may have been disappointing from a conservative and pro-limited government standpoint, but Democrats have been wholesale stupid lately.




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#2 11 years ago

[COLOR=Black]Is that so surprising? If you want to tell your transparency guy which things he can say and which he'd better keep to himself it would be rather stupid to do that in front of the press. "Oh yeah, under no circumstances mention to anyone that we are bankrupt and that our economy is going to collapse if people find out!" might not be something you'd want to say into a journalist's microphone.[/COLOR]




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#3 11 years ago

During the election season, Obama promise that this would be the most open and transparent presidency in our nation's history.

Holding closed-to-press meetings with the transparency chief isn't exactly open. The fact that he has a transparency chief is troubling enough.




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#4 11 years ago

EO Violation;5211616During the election season, Obama promise that this would be the most open and transparent presidency in our nation's history.

Holding closed-to-press meetings with the transparency chief isn't exactly open. The fact that he has a transparency chief is troubling enough.

[COLOR=Black] But how do you imagine an open meeting where you discuss what should be made transparent and what not?

If Obama promised transparency and doesn't deliver that is of course bad, but let's not forget the motivation behind this. Republicans will use any scrap of information they can find to damage Obama's government, so the more information Obama reveals the higher the risk that it will lead to some bipartisan scandal about how Obama drinks French beer instead of Bud. Even if Obama promised otherwise it is not reasonable to expect that he will intentionally damage himself. If people go crazy about Obama's birth certificate imagine what happens if they reveal a few of the important mistakes (e.g. "it was perhaps not such a great idea to panic and give tons of money to banks without any conditions on how that money will be paid back") that probably have been made by now.

A politician promising to be transparent is almost the same as a politician promising to be honest. And "honest politician" is probably a contradiction in terms.[/COLOR]




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#5 11 years ago

I see what you're saying, he just wants to protect his political future. That's what politicians do.

What I'm seeing here is Obama failing to live up to one of his campaign promises. Not that that's really anything new...




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#6 11 years ago

War is peace. (The Bushobama "war" for "peace") Freedom is slavery (america! the land of the free! *puts up twenty thousand more street cameras*). Openness is secrecy (pretty much... EVERYTHING about Obama).




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#7 11 years ago
MrFancypants;5211610[COLOR=Black]Is that so surprising? If you want to tell your transparency guy which things he can say and which he'd better keep to himself it would be rather stupid to do that in front of the press. "Oh yeah, under no circumstances mention to anyone that we are bankrupt and that our economy is going to collapse if people find out!" might not be something you'd want to say into a journalist's microphone.[/COLOR]

This.

In theory it would eb nice to give 100% transparancy.. but you may wish to keep some things secret. Ranging from matters of national security to not giving others too much material to attack you on (having other parties take a magnifying glass and point out every tiny error you made or were about to make, no matter how small or insignificant) or material that is a food for some populist to gian from who absolutely cannot understand the tactical decisions/reasons behind some actions.

So you wish to discuss that in private, and then be open about what you think you cna be open about.




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#8 11 years ago
Admiral Donutz;5211709 So you wish to discuss that in private, and then be open about what you think you cna be open about.

Yes, however going off what EO said, to what extnet? Ultimantly the American public needs to know, especailly when certain information not givin to the public is grounds for Congress to spend over a trillian dollars. For example, there is no reason at all for the healthcare bill merging to go on behind closed doors in Congress. Both Pelosi and Obama repeatedly professed to running a transsparent ship. By not allowing the public to see the debate and what is actually going on is the anthitisis of that.




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#9 11 years ago

To be fair, our economy would collapse if the press (and the general public) found out about the entire money/economic scam we have going on, so maybe that's why the transparency promise is nothing more than empty words.




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#10 11 years ago

Transparency is an empty promise in most political systems.

However I can't help but feel this thread was made because of something other than a genuine commitment to ensuring transparency.




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