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Ensign Riles VIP Member

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#1 14 years ago

I've noticed that the last two elections really have been dangerous to the integrity of the U.S. in what they do to people. It seems that people identify themselves more by their party affiliation, than as Americans. For the most part the differences among the parties isn't all that great, but they are made to sound like they are on completely different sides of the spectrum. Ghandi once said something along the lines of "We are all democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, communists, (etc.)." None of us are completely in one quadrant on a two-dimensional plane; we all have bits and pieces of the sides we hate the most. The point is that if Americans can't see that and unite, there are going to be some serious issues down the road. Remember shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and where both Democrats and Republicans stood together singing "God Bless America"? We need to return to that state.

I'm sure you've seen the electoral vote map, it's divided pretty clearly, no? Pretty much the same map as back in the 1850s and 1860s where tensions eventually led to the Civil War. We aren't that far away. The South had completely different opinions than the people of the north, electing a president they did not want finally brought along war. With these elections becoming more and more split evenly, no matter who wins half the country is going to be angry. Over time people will eventually ask what good democracy is if half the country remains underrepresented. Hopefully it won't take war to once again see common ground.

I find it funny Bush claims to be wanting to bring democracy to a place like Iraq. America is suppose to be the role model for the world when it comes to democracy, but I believe it is truly lacking. It's just so disappointing that there is no standard in the election, each state is free to do as it pleases. As a result some people have to resort to basically using folding scantrons that are read incorrectly and are extremely clumsy. Using dirt-cheap methods of voting for such an important decision is just wrong. Having only about half the country voting is just wrong, especially when many of them vote for a candidate based solely off of one issue. That is hardly an objective voter. What ever happened to separation of church and state? Having some religious zealot vote for Bush simply because he may attend Church more often isn’t necessarily right. There are many more important issues that need to be thought about as well.

I apologize for using Bush as an example and not using Kerry at the same time, it's just that it is a lot easier to see how there are certain people that vote for Bush instead of Kerry.




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#2 14 years ago

i disagree with everything you have said there...you want us to recieve another terrorist attack to unite us every now and then...sorry if that is what it has came down to (have thousands of americans dieing) than i think it would be better off for Us to split up. the end...i will not argue with anything else you siador i would blow you away...but be careful in saying things aobut zealots and churches and other stuff...i am very particular about that...lets say it angers me quikly and i try to kool my temper down.




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#3 14 years ago

The entire system of democracy in America is flawed. There need to be far more parties to vote for so people don’t split into two groups. The way people vote could be changed for the better too.




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#4 14 years ago

and there is sometihng i could agree too. MORE PARTIES!!!!!!!!!!!i like that




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#5 14 years ago

Respected...

I don't like close elections. But you will find that the most vocal of the political process are those who hail further to the left or right. The rest of us (a majority) who travel the middle ground are forced to make a snap decision at election time. Most people go about their daily lives without a concern for it and don't get in each others faces over it either. We are split 50/50 in an election between two candidates whose parties stand for very little in regard of any sort of interest for the common citizen. If the process wants better results there should be better choices. I don't see division. I see indecision....and in a moment of crisis, an understood unified cause.




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#6 14 years ago

yes...too many parties and then we would be spread out and alot more ppl would be divided because they wouldn't support the gov..i may have lost you there cuz i lost myself...in my head i know what i really mean to say.




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#7 14 years ago
Borgyi disagree with everything you have said there...you want us to recieve another terrorist attack to unite us every now and then...

Life is a risk, but I did not say a terror attack is the way to go. This is what I am talking about, the parties make it sound as if they have the monopoly on virtue or the best way to run the country. Kerry would not simply allow terrorists to run free, again, two people who aren't that different, but are portrayed by each other as extremists.

sorry if that is what it has came down to (have thousands of americans dieing) than i think it would be better off for Us to split up. the end...

Fine then, but people aren't going to be happy with two different nations.

i will not argue with anything else you siador i would blow you away...but be careful in saying things aobut zealots and churches and other stuff...i am very particular about that...lets say it angers me quikly and i try to kool my temper down.

If you aren't going to voice your own opinion, so be it. You'll only be like the other forty percent or so of Americans...




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#8 14 years ago
Ensign RilesI've noticed that the last two elections really have been dangerous to the integrity of the U.S. in what they do to people. It seems that people identify themselves more by their party affiliation, than as Americans. [/QUOTE] Having a party affiliation is what makes us American. This is not some socialist haven where your nationalism is allegiance to the party in office. You question what you disagree with, and you argue, and you compromise if need be. A person who believes that abortion is murder is simply not going to agree with a person who does not, and it is absolutely absurd to think that they should see eye-to-eye.
Ensign RilesFor the most part the differences among the parties isn't all that great, but they are made to sound like they are on completely different sides of the spectrum. Ghandi once said something along the lines of "We are all democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals, communists, (etc.)." None of us are completely in one quadrant on a two-dimensional plane; we all have bits and pieces of the sides we hate the most. The point is that if Americans can't see that and unite, there are going to be some serious issues down the road. [/QUOTE] That is because they are on completely different ends of the spectrum. When one sees something as wrong and another as right, they are indeed on opposing sides. This is a key turning point in the United States, and this administration is going to decide if we keep the culture we had in years prior, and uphold the true American way. It is opinions and the arguments for these opinions that make us American; it was a fundamental belief for the founding fathers to have every citizen to be entitled to their own opinion, their freedom of speech, their very freedom to express themselves.
Ensign RilesRemember shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and where both Democrats and Republicans stood together singing "God Bless America"? We need to return to that state.
Ensign, we were never really united. That was more of a cover story for the news media. What made Republicans and Democrats "stand together" was not the fact that they finally had accepted the other partys political beliefs, but because many innocents had been slaughtered, and that is an absolutely terrible thing. You'd have to be insanse to think it was good. *Points to Palestine and Al Quada* This country will never be united if members of the left decide the best way to combat such acts of terrorism is to declare "not our problem, you citizens of ____ deal with it". When it comes to getting down and dirty when handling threats to the United States, lefties have never really reacted to an attack. I point to the Clinton Administration. There was the 1993 WTC Bombing,the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, and still no action against those responsible. They launched a missile. Big fucking whoop. It is a time for change in the world, and there is no better place to start than the spreading of freedom. [QUOTE=Ensign Riles] I'm sure you've seen the electoral vote map, it's divided pretty clearly, no? Pretty much the same map as back in the 1850s and 1860s where tensions eventually led to the Civil War. We aren't that far away. The South had completely different opinions than the people of the north, electing a president they did not want finally brought along war. With these elections becoming more and more split evenly, no matter who wins half the country is going to be angry. Over time people will eventually ask what good democracy is if half the country remains underrepresented. Hopefully it won't take war to once again see common ground.
Hopefully the lefties seeking social change will move to Canada, as they said they would do if Bush were to re-elected. Because for the past 4 years, they have been the odd ones out. Gay marriage was banned in the 11 states because people out there still believe in their family values and wanted to protect their definition of the sanctity of marriage. There is never going to be a common ground between between the Conservative Christian and the Pinko Commie; it is a given. [QUOTE=Ensign Riles] It's just so disappointing that there is no standard in the election, each state is free to do as it pleases. As a result some people have to resort to basically using folding scantrons that are read incorrectly and are extremely clumsy. Using dirt-cheap methods of voting for such an important decision is just wrong. Having only about half the country voting is just wrong, especially when many of them vote for a candidate based solely off of one issue. That is hardly an objective voter. What ever happened to separation of church and state? Having some religious zealot vote for Bush simply because he may attend Church more often isn’t necessarily right. There are many more important issues that need to be thought about as well.

Ensign, what you are asking for is nothing American at all. You object to people voting because of one issue. What is wrong with this? Would you prefer they not have voted at all? They went out and voted about what mattered to them. It does not matter if they are Christian, Bhuddist, Muslim, or Jewish. They excersized their right to vote about what they held to be important, and you are upset by this. You are upset about citizens of their country practicing their right to vote. Sorry bud, but that sort of ideal belonged in the USSR.




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#9 14 years ago

I think the presidential term should be auto 8 years instead of 4 . This is bad for the moralization of the country to be so divided over 2 canidates, then one of them wins. Because then you have half the country pissed off.

Or mabey what they could do is neither pick a running mate for VP, then whoever doesnt win becomes VP (in this case, Kerry would be VP), but that wouldnt work if there ever would be more than 1 party, or u could do the second place person...




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#10 14 years ago

If you want eachother to come together, it is the democrats that will have to conform to the republicans, since we are the majority.