Kidnapping of Americans is not that important. 39 replies

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NiteStryker

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#31 15 years ago
CopperHeadSeen one too many movies perhaps? :lookaround: It's easy to say things like that and even mean it but when push comes to shove things change quite rapidly and the cockiest of people becomes crybabies. :smokin: ---> :baby:

Copper any intelligent person realizes that to be an unarmed American in Iraq right now is to be an open invatation to being captured. Once captured, you have a snowballs chance in hell of getting out alive And no, thats not from a movie. These terrorists want you to cry. They want you to plead. They want you to say "President Bush, please pull out of Iraq". They want you to sit and be all good on camera with Ak's at your head.

Better to live on your legs than die on your knees.




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#32 15 years ago
Artie BuccoActually In February, 1,000 TOW missiles were shipped to Iran. From May to November, there were additional shipments of miscellaneous weapons and parts. Iran was not holding any hostages, Hezbollah was holding Americans in Lebanon. so by selling arms to Iran the US hoped to appease Hezbollah if you don't call that negotiating with terrorists than: A. You don't consider Hezbollah a terrorist organization. B. Or are can't admit Reagan could do anything wrong.

Not really. It was 500 TOW anti-tank missiles, and 500 HAWK SAMs. Iran was not holding hostages, but Hezbollah is an Iranian backed group. Here, pulled straight from Wikipedia: [color=Black]"The organization was conceived in 1982 as a guerrilla group, started by Lebanese clerics and financed by Iran, to oppose the 1982 Israeli invasion and subsequent occupation of southern Lebanon. Some critics argue that the real reason it was set up by Iran was to spread the Iranian Islamic revolution into Lebanon and throughout the Arab world. It maintains an active fighting force, or militia, known as the Islamic Resistance." They were pro-Iranian revolution, funded by Iran, and supplied by Iran. If Iran wanted them to do something, they would do it, at least according to common sense. Hezbollah is more than a terrorist group. They also have a political movement, much like the IRA has Shin Fein, if I spelled that correctly. Reagan is a good president, but screws up like all others. Not as bad as Clinton refusing bin Laden four times from Sudan, or Nixon bombing and invading Cambodia. [/color]




Count Nosferatu

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#33 15 years ago
Nusentinsaino Those who think that not negotiating with the terrorists is wrong should think about the important things. For example, The hostage is like a bee in a colony of millions of bees, When one bee dies... the whole colony ignores it and continues with the important things to keep the colony alive, While the president is like the Queen bee, the whole colony has to protect it or the colony will fail... so therefore the bee is not important.

Account for the success of Medieval Chivalry then.... essentially hostage taking and ransoming.




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#34 15 years ago

What the hell are you talking about? Mideval chivalry? How the hell do you know if it was successful. Hell, thats not even what it is!




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#35 15 years ago
NiteStryker Better to live on your legs than die on your knees.

Sure, but when you are suddenly dragged out of your car, see people who worked with you for several months shot then blindfolded and brought somewhere you might get a little bit scared. Add some torture and days without food, water and sleep and most people will say exactly what they are told to say.

As for the whole hostage problem, why doesn't the USA use it's great technological advantage and equips US citizens who have to work in Iraq with some kind of tracking device? If your government has billions of dollars for weapons they should have some for developing something like this.

Ok, sooner or later such devices will be found, but until then you have some of the bad guys.




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#36 15 years ago

because it costs money, money that is used for securing the oil :rolleyes:




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#37 15 years ago

Right...

That oil bit is wrong, and pretty old there pal. The US prices of gasoline have shot way up since the war ended. We also are not importing nearly as much oil from Iraq as the rest of the world.

Besides, who exactly was involved in the Oil for Food scandal? Oh yeah, thats right... EUROPE

Who sold Iraq its nuclear reactor? France. Who sold them more military equipment post 1991 than any nation in the world? France and Germany. Who was the primary importer of Iraqi oil? France. Who sold them the equipment to build the world's largest ever cannon, designed to shell Israel? France.




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#38 15 years ago
MrFancypantssee people who worked with you for several months shot then blindfolded

:wtf: I'm assuming you meant you'd be blindfolded after you saw your friends die?




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#39 15 years ago

Yes. Maybe they blindfold dead people as well, but I don't take hostages very often so I don't know for sure.




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#40 15 years ago

'[11PzG USMA2010']Right...

That oil bit is wrong, and pretty old there pal. The US prices of gasoline have shot way up since the war ended. We also are not importing nearly as much oil from Iraq as the rest of the world.

Besides, who exactly was involved in the Oil for Food scandal? Oh yeah, thats right... EUROPE

Who sold Iraq its nuclear reactor? France. Who sold them more military equipment post 1991 than any nation in the world? France and Germany. Who was the primary importer of Iraqi oil? France. Who sold them the equipment to build the world's largest ever cannon, designed to shell Israel? France.

In what way does this relate to the discussion? You don't really want to blame Europe for selling weapons to other countries, do you? I think the US also did that at some point. Or do you think a crime is justified as long as others do the same?

As for oil, maybe the US isn't getting any oil but then the invasion of Iraq didn't go exactly as planned. At least the part after the "major combat operations". So saying that it doesn't work is no proof that they never intended it to work. Anyway, it was obvious from the beginning that the US can't just invade Iraq, take their oil and leave again. Bush is quite stupid but not that stupid. In his place I'd invade Iraq, leave my military there and install an US-friendly government. The point of that would be to gain influence in the middle east and with that in the oil market. Or lets say even more influence. The US desperately needs something like this because they depend on imports of all kinds of things from other countries. As you noticed Europe is also interested in oil. If the US can control oil supply they also can make sure that other countries continue to behave as they want. Only problem in this whole thing is Russia which exports a lot of oil. But the US are doing their best to keep relations between western countries and Russia frosty. Remember when they deployed Nato troops right at the Russian border?