Heaven's gonna burn your eyes
16th April 2005
Just stumbled across this...
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/12/21/18468216.phpLakota Sioux Indian representatives declared sovereign nation status today, December 19th, in Washington D.C. following Monday’s withdrawal from all previously signed treaties with the United States Government...
Our Forefathers made the treaties in good faith with the sacred Canupa and with the knowledge of the Great Spirit,” shared Garry Rowland from Wounded Knee. “They never honored the treaties, that’s the reason we are here today.” ...
Property ownership in the five state area of Lakota now takes center stage. Parts of North and South Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana have been illegally homesteaded for years despite knowledge of Lakota as predecessor sovereign [historic owner]. Lakota representatives say if the United States does not enter into immediate diplomatic negotiations, liens will be filed on real estate transactions in the five state region, clouding title over literally thousands of square miles of land and property...
The Lakota reservations are among the most impoverished areas in North America, a shameful legacy of broken treaties and apartheid policies. Lakota has the highest death rate in the United States and Lakota men have the lowest life expectancy of any nation on earth, excluding AIDS, at approximately 44 years. Lakota infant mortality rate is five times the United States average and teen suicide rates 150% more than national average . 97% of Lakota people live below the poverty line and unemployment hovers near 85%.
“After 150 years of colonial enforcement, when you back people into a corner there is only one alternative,” emphasized Duane Martin Sr. “The only alternative is to bring freedom into its existence by taking it back to the love of freedom, to our lifeway.”
The land claimed is below:
Oh, and under US and International law, they have a legitimate claim to it.
5th August 2003
As much as I admire their ambition to better their situation, I don't think it will be widely recognized or become anything official. Other than that, I don't think the US administration will accept this "declaration of independence", what would the repercussions be? How many more of these 'nations' will spring up in the US? Or Canada for that matter?
Every so often, whenever their's a big land deal (worth multi-millions) here for residential development (or anything for that matter), some tribe who once inhabitated the land (or passed through it, or vacated it willingly) hundreds of years ago comes along claiming it, even if the claim is bogus and is merely a ploy to get wider attention to their 'plight'. It gets on my nerves some times, the things some of these groups will do for 5 minutes on the news reel.
Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
Putting asides the fact that the nut jobs who declared this have no legal power to represent the people they claim to be acting on behalf of for the moment and thus the entire thing is effectively a pipe dream...
masked_marsoe;4140537Oh, and under US and International law, they have a legitimate claim to it.
They fought their war, they lost. However much they might piss about it if they really went through with something like this it wouldn't last out the month before the harsh issue of real world 'diplomacy' and civilisation was raised with them.
I'm too cool to Post
17th July 2003
The US will either send in FBI and/or US Army since technically its not US soil the troops are being deployed to.
I also expect them to cut off all aid to the Indians. Personally if I was going to declare independence I would do it in March or April to avoid any problems with winter.
But I agree that of all the treaties the US Government has signed with the Indians it has not honored a single one. Whenever there is something the US wants on Indian land be it uranium, gold, or oil the US Government usually tries to just take it.
something to believe.
19th February 2005
I heard about this, I honestly hope to God that they succeed.
I'd love to see what the U.S. would be doing will all these other broken Native treaties they've garnered up over the years, as far as I'm concerned its their land anyway.
Voice of joy and sunshine
26th May 2003
There’s no such thing as Indian land, they fought a war for it and lost in almost every sense it’s possible to lose, they don’t have the strength to have their own lands anymore. A large side effect of this is that the US doesn't have to send in troops or federal agents. Even if these people actually had the authority to make this sort of claim and have it binding on the people they think they represent, which they don't, they're so much a part of the economic system of the states, and so weak militarily that whether they say yes or no has very little effect.
in spite of erosion
13th May 2004
An interesting issue, to be sure. Problem is: they are a fringe of the Lakota, and the councils have apparently not approved of their actions (I don't suggest that I don't approve of their actions).
More power to them, I say. Hopefully they can raise enough awareness and gain enough sympathy from Americans to, at the very, least draw effective attention to their plight.
Apparently, the communities there are some of the most impoverished in the country, allegedly because of "apartheid policies of the US government". I don't not believe that.
Nemmerle, do you truly believe that guns have the very last say when it comes to modern human affairs? If a man believes in freedom, fairness, and solidarity, are his convictions really meaningless the moment a gun his put to his head?
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
Locomotor, pretty much, yeah. Bullets tend to make complex thought patterns a wee bit difficult. I'm for supporting the indigenous tribes, but the poverty can't be blamed solely on the USA's shameful treatment of the tribes. Living a rural, tribal lifestyle tends to limit the millionaires.
I didn't make it!
Nemmerle;4141092There’s no such thing as Indian land....
I disagree. I live smack dab in the middle of South Dakota, and have many maps showing quite the opposite. Indian land, does exist despite what you believe to be true or not.
A guy can get 8 DUI's 10 miles from me, on the reservation, and then come over here and get one, and you know what. It's counted as his "First".
Crossing into a reservation is very much like crossing into a third world country. I know this because I do it almost every other day.
Excellent post Masked, and as for the content. I hope some good comes from what they're doing. Because all of those horrible statistics are true.
Last year 3 teenagers, all under the age of 15 committed group suicide in a mobile home. 4 attempted, 3 were successful. In another case just recently, there was a young girl, only 12, hung herself from the refrigerator door. She tied the cord, turned around and sat down, and died. This all happens commonly over there, but due to widespread media blackouts, not one shred of it ever makes it to the media or news.
My cousin ruins a firehouse (Fire department) over there, he to has told me plenty of the realities behind the statistics masked presented.
Snipes With Artillery
22nd March 2005
See, what's funny is that our media will go apeshit over one little missing person who shows up a day later in their mommy's backyard, but if it happens on any reservation, it is completely ignored. I know suicide rates are insanely high on the rez, but do you hear a peep about it? Noooo way, Jose. Or should I say Cetanwakuwa?...