Leave Middle Ear- I mean The Middle East to it's fate? 32 replies

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Sadim-Al-Bouncer

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#1 9 years ago

We never should have gotten involved over their in the first place. Whatever the reason, WMDs, revenge for 9/11, helping those in need, overthrowing Sadam, we should have just left the Middle East and the Muslim population to kill each other (Shiites hate Sunnis). We're pulling out of Iraq and the Afgan situation is going downhill and we're loosing a lot of soldiers. I know we had to step up our game after 9/11, but was that overdoing it a bit? DISCUSS! :rolleyes:




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#2 9 years ago

I'd vote no. Not for any moral reasons or anything, it just costs us too much money.




evildude

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#3 9 years ago

No way. They have alot of oil! we can't let them drive the price up with there fights.........(mind you us being in there does the same...)




AlDaja

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#4 9 years ago

No, we don't belong there. Now we are stuck with the problem of having our hand too far in the proverbial cookie jar. Bush's War is quickly transforming into Obama's War as he is stuck with constant diplomatic setbacks requiring military outcomes...which seems to be the situation the last couple of months. We should have taken the route originally suggested by some of Bush's original military advisers (that he fired for violating political correctness aka disagreeing with him) from back in the day (Korea/Viet Nam) when the question of Iraq/Afghanistan was on the table. Their suggestions were to either enact executive order to break Ford's addendum and assassinate key figures with the help of legitimate freedom fighters using our Special Forces and/or nuke them back to the age controlling factions like Al Qaeda so desperately wanted the rest of the world to submit to. Of course, neither one is really and option now (or is it). I suppose we made our bed, now we have to sleep in it. We should have headed history's lessons...Afghanistan alone was known as the 'destroyer of empires' and it seems to be doing a pretty good job of that with our nation. It's compounded with having to deal with Iraq (which should and could have been handled far better in the beginning - like popping Saddam and his ruling party and replace it with the legitimate and may I add supported leadership of their people (at the time) that was in exile in America pending the end of Saddam's rule).

If we completely pull out now...or in the future many in this region will resort back to their flawed theologic dictatorships and continue to make the United Nation's and Amnesty International's butt pucker every time another group of people are tortured or slaughted by the ruling party/faction because they happen to be Sunni instead of Saudi, Arabic instead of Persian or god forbid a woman with an opinion or some poor humble dolt who didn't worship Allah or the Koran a specific way. Oh well...God needs a hobby I suppose. I say we get out while we still can and leave this region to go f'ck itself and if the world requires a military solution from us, we resort back to the original "plan A".




NiteStryker

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#5 9 years ago

Nuclear carpet bombing runs continuously until the entire middle east is a giant glass parking lot.




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#6 9 years ago
NiteStryker;4985334Nuclear carpet bombing runs continuously until the entire middle east is a giant glass parking lot.

Then we put a giant Walmart in, and pump all the oil out of the ground!

I am 50/50 on this issue. Yes I do still think going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do. The US needed to show the world that it will not stand people flying planes into skyscrapers. I just hope that we don't have to go into Pakistan, even with the backing of the government of Pakistan. In some regions there is considerable Taliban and al-queda presence that would make those areas impossible to pacify.

Iraq is a different story. I supposed the US going in there back in 2003, but now I think the US should fix the mess it made and pull out. If we really wanted to topple Saddam, we should have done some stuff with the CIA. We could have kept the US military out of it and devoted more resources to Afghanistan.

In both places I hope we can do the job right the first time so we don't have to come back ever.

Not all of the middle east is full of crazy people who want to kill Americans. Some of the smaller nations like the United Arab Emirates(know a girl who emigrated from Europe to the UAE and goes to school in the US) are safe countries for westerners to live and work in. In the majority of the middle east there are people who do not want to fight the US and want a democracy with equal rights for men and women.

There is a story in the bible about how god was talking to someone and promised not to destory a city if he found one good person living among all the bad people. Just because there are a bunch of nasty terrorists in the middle east does not mean we should blow the place to smitherines.




TodtheWraith

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#7 9 years ago

Pethegreat;4985415Then we put a giant Walmart in, and pump all the oil out of the ground![/QUOTE] Imagine how much the gas would cost if Americans had to pump it outta the ground themselves.

Pethegreat;4985415I am 50/50 on this issue. Yes I do still think going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do. The US needed to show the world that it will not stand people flying planes into skyscrapers.[/QUOTE] YouTube - Family Guy - Visiting Ground Zero

Pethegreat;4985415In both places I hope we can do the job right the first time so we don't have to come back ever.

No. It's just too much to ask.

[QUOTE=Pethegreat;4985415]Not all of the middle east is full of crazy people who want to kill Americans. Some of the smaller nations like the United Arab Emirates(know a girl who emigrated from Europe to the UAE and goes to school in the US) are safe countries for westerners to live and work in. In the majority of the middle east there are people who do not want to fight the US and want a democracy with equal rights for men and women.

...But do they have sausage-pancakes on sticks??

[QUOTE=Pethegreat;4985415]There is a story in the bible about how god was talking to someone and promised not to destory a city if he found one good person living among all the bad people. Just because there are a bunch of nasty terrorists in the middle east does not mean we should blow the place to smitherines.

...And yet every natural disaster Christians blame on God because a handful of people have angered him & caused him to take thousands of lives. I guess you just have to sin when God is having a good day??




Pethegreat VIP Member

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#8 9 years ago
No. It's just too much to ask.

The people protesting on the streets of Iran do give me hope for a more peaceful middle east. The images on the TV show young people in their late teens and 20's dressed in western style clothing demanding democratic elections and a secular democratic government. In time these people will become the leaders in the middle east.

...But do they have sausage-pancakes on sticks??

They probably import them from the US.

...And yet every natural disaster Christians blame on God because a handful of people have angered him & caused him to take thousands of lives. I guess you just have to sin when God is having a good day??

I used the story since the US could be compared to god in the bible. Both have the power to really ruin a nation's day. However we need to restrain ourselves so we do not harm people who have done nothing wrong. Carpet nuking everything won't work(unless you count having no one left as a win). However limited intervention as in the case of Afghanistan is useful and in some cases necessary.




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#9 9 years ago
evildude;4985279No way. They have alot of oil! we can't let them drive the price up with there fights.........(mind you us being in there does the same...)

Canadian oil sands have an estimated 200 years worth of oil, why do you care? Plus the oil is theirs, we shouldn't wage war because we want something. We might as well take down Africa for diamonds.




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#10 9 years ago

Bit of a waste of time really, drop some nerve gas on them and call it a day. You don't need many people to pump oil in a desert.