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AzH

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#1 9 years ago

The United States is known (well known) for taking preventative military action inline with it's foreign policy objectives of protecting the US and US interests and allies. We saw this come to life with the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. This was justified action taken because Iraq was a threat to the United States and US interests/allies overseas. The Administration at the time had no option but to take action against the very real threat presented by Saddam Hussein's regime.

I'm here today to call for the invasion and occupation (with the related destruction of civilian and military infrastructure) of North Korea. Let's consider, using Iraq as the comparison, the case for invading North Korea.

  • Iraq potentially had some chemical and/or biological weapons - we know this because we supplied them with them in their war with Iran.
  • Iraq had the means to strike Israel (US ally) with SCUD missiles loaded with these biochem agents. We were told that Iraq was also developing the technology for long range missiles to put Europe at risk.
  • We were told that Iraq had the fifth (was it?) largest army in the world that was filled with hardened veterans of the Iran/Iraq war and the first Gulf War. We were told they were a threat to the region.
  • We were told that, despite ten years of crippling murderous sanctions, the regime of Saddam was capable of great harm to the world and needed to be destroyed.

Outside of the threat to the United States of America, her allies and her interests, we were told that Saddam tortured and killed his own people and that this could not go on.

Let's consider North Korea, along the same lines.

  • North Korea has biological, chemical and NUCLEAR weapons. We know they have nukes because they've tested two in the last decade or so.
  • We know they have the means to strike South Korea (US ally and US military bases) and Japan (US ally and US military bases). We know they have a 'you fuck with us, we'll fuck with you' policy and have vocalised such a policy recently. We know they are a threat to the region (SK/Japan).
  • We know they have an ideology which is not adverse to going to war with The United States but we know very little else as they are a closed shop to internation visitors or monitors (the opposite of Iraq who allowed inspectors in in at least some capacity).
  • We know that the regime of Kim Jong-il is a threat to world peace and stability.

Outside of the threat to the United States of America, her allies and her interests, we know that Kim Jong-il keeps a large standing army whilst his people starve, that they live in abject poverty, and that they have little in the way og human comfort like what the, say, Iraqi's had (power, sanitation, communications, education).

So, these things considered….. Let's invade North Korea. All those in favour, say I. All those not in favour explain why I can't call you a chickenshit yeller-belly. ;o)




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#2 9 years ago

If you want to use the official US "reasonsing" for invading Iraq as any sort of standard you could invade whatever country you want to invade.

As for invading North Korea, from the "their people would be better off without a dictator" point of view it makes much more sense to invade that place than Iraq or even Iran. But I don't think NK is such a big threat to world peace at the moment. If you're worried about that take a look at Pakistan - a state with lots of nuclear weapons that is very close to a collapse.

There are of course tons of good reasons to stay away from NK. They prepared their little country for an invasion for the past 60 years and their neighbours probably aren't going to help the US. They might even force the US to stop an invasion (Russia could easily exert pressure by cutting European energy supply and China could call in some of those credits).

The first people to object might even be the South Koreans as they might dislike the idea of having their capital destroyed within the first few hours of a war.




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#3 9 years ago

The current North Korean regime needs to be disassembled, there's not doubt about that. However invading them I think is too great a risk. They could exert so much damage and the fuckers are just too unpredictable. If America has some sort of ridiculously good stealth team that could disassemble all of their weapons in one night, then maybe then.




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#4 9 years ago

Are they not still protected by the Chinese? I know Kim Jong Il is royally pissing them off with their nuclear arms projects, but they never officially stopped diplomatic relations that I know of.


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#5 9 years ago

I though the Nkers went there own way in the 70's, and stopped doing business with Russia and China, now today I am sure they still do stuff with China, but to my knowlage, Russia is done with them?




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#6 9 years ago

Russia still is still somewhat tight towards the DPRK. The Chinese-North Korean relationship is almost the same as the United States-Israeli realtionship. North Korea is pissing off China with thier antics, but China still shields North Korea from UN resolutions with thier veto power




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#7 9 years ago

AzH;4913679I'm here today to call for the invasion and occupation (with the related destruction of civilian and military infrastructure) of North Korea. Let's consider, using Iraq as the comparison, the case for invading North Korea.

  • Iraq potentially had some chemical and/or biological weapons - we know this because we supplied them with them in their war with Iran.
  • Iraq had the means to strike Israel (US ally) with SCUD missiles loaded with these biochem agents. We were told that Iraq was also developing the technology for long range missiles to put Europe at risk.
  • We were told that Iraq had the fifth (was it?) largest army in the world that was filled with hardened veterans of the Iran/Iraq war and the first Gulf War. We were told they were a threat to the region.
  • We were told that, despite ten years of crippling murderous sanctions, the regime of Saddam was capable of great harm to the world and needed to be destroyed.
Outside of the threat to the United States of America, her allies and her interests, we were told that Saddam tortured and killed his own people and that this could not go on.

So basically, we were told, we were told, we were told that this was a growing potential bully on the corner if we didn't stop him. We crushed him in about 15 days. If all this was true, I would be the last to say we shouldn't go there - but I tend to be a little more suspicious when not only do we not find those WMDs we royally screw up the region's politics and give ourselves a severe headache. That's not the whole story by far but the Iraq War is/was a difficult thing to appreciate the government for.

Let's consider North Korea, along the same lines.

  • North Korea has biological, chemical and NUCLEAR weapons. We know they have nukes because they've tested two in the last decade or so.
  • We know they have the means to strike South Korea (US ally and US military bases) and Japan (US ally and US military bases). We know they have a 'you fuck with us, we'll fuck with you' policy and have vocalised such a policy recently. We know they are a threat to the region (SK/Japan).
  • We know they have an ideology which is not adverse to going to war with The United States but we know very little else as they are a closed shop to internation visitors or monitors (the opposite of Iraq who allowed inspectors in in at least some capacity).
  • We know that the regime of Kim Jong-il is a threat to world peace and stability.

Of course the above is probably true. But I don't think this means war - at least not for a while. I believe this will turn into a Cold War style conflict; we can't push them around any more. We're both going to tread carefully and just economically sanction each other...but with a maniac at the helm of a nuclear power, who can say...

Outside of the threat to the United States of America, her allies and her interests, we know that Kim Jong-il keeps a large standing army whilst his people starve, that they live in abject poverty, and that they have little in the way og human comfort like what the, say, Iraqi's had (power, sanitation, communications, education).

We know? We do? IIRC it's almost impossible to get agents planted in Korea. Half their infrastructure is underground, thanks to the lessons of Vietnam. Thanks to their propaganda machine and some fault of our own, we probably know a partial truth at best. Better to overestimate their strength, I believe, than underestimate in this case.

So, these things considered….. Let's invade North Korea. All those in favour, say I. All those not in favour explain why I can't call you a chickenshit yeller-belly. ;o)

I remember you saying this: http://forums.filefront.com/general-discussion/400891-north-korea-north-korea-can-engage-us-total-war.html#post4912991 Which, no offense, means you do realize then that this will be what Operation Downfall might have been. For those who don't know, that was the planned invasion of Japan in WWII. The entire chain of islands was turned into one giant Iwo Jima. Conservative US casualty estimates ran about 500,000, at best, over a million at worst. They knew they would lose, and NK probably does too. So they don't care about winning now, they want to take us down with them. Thanks to nuclear power, they might actually have a chance at destroying us before we get them. Not likely, no, but possible. Twenty. Four. Million. People, willing to fight with grenades and rifles and sharp sticks and die. No doubt, they will lose if war breaks out, but at best, we will take unnecessarily heavy casualties and at worst have a few nukes burst over home soil. Just my $0.02




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#8 9 years ago

AzH;4913679 I'm here today to call for the invasion and occupation (with the related destruction of civilian and military infrastructure) of North Korea. [/QUOTE]

You said the "civilian" part for me, didnt you.

:D

Very easily done. 3rd Marine division in Okinawa, Japan. 3rd Marine Logistics group in Okinawa. 1st Marine Air Wing, also in Okinawa, Japan. If this is a total war no holds barred, this gonna be a good time.

[QUOTE=AzH;4913679] So, these things considered….. Let's invade North Korea. All those in favour, say I. All those not in favour explain why I can't call you a chickenshit yeller-belly. ;o)

Well, better question.

Who in the world is gonna do it with us? We prolly dont need the help, but which countries will step up, agree, and lend a hand? Or is the rest of the world gonna be pussies and leave the US to fuck em up alone?

I know UK wants some action..and Im pretty sure France wont. Russia? You guys down?




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#9 9 years ago

Screw it. Lets just send over 9,000 atomic bombs there so not even mold will grow for the next million years. We will count south korea as a loss but hey then blizzard can dedicate their korean server to us.




NiteStryker

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#10 9 years ago
Young Stalin;4914404Screw it. Lets just send over 9,000 atomic bombs there so not even mold will grow for the next million years. We will count south korea as a loss but hey then blizzard can dedicate their korean server to us.

Even I, mr turnthemiddleeastintoagiantglassparkinglot, have not said anything THAT stupid.

You could prolly destroy the moon and parts of mars with 9000 atomic weapons.