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FireSphere

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#1 14 years ago

I've got a new game we can play. It's called "Name that Flip-flop!" You tell me what you think is a flip-flop by John Kerry and I will either verify or deny that it is a flip-flop. Why am I doing this? Because the Bush campaign and the RNC pad the list of Kerry's true flip-flops with fake Kerry flip-flops. Also, two conditions: (1) Keep it about Kerry, (2) And only one flip-flop at a time. I don't want anyone posting a giant list they got from some site. That would not be beneficial, but would rather make people think "HE'S GOT ALL THOSE FLIP-FLOPS!" and assume they're all true when they may not in fact be flip-flops in the first place.




Napalm

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#2 14 years ago

Sounds like fun:

Flip-Flopped On Patriot Act, he voted for it, now he condemns it.




NiteStryker

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#3 14 years ago

Voted for 'No child Left Behind' act, now he trashes it...




vivanolaq

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#4 14 years ago

Come November I will be voting for Kerry due to what he has said he will do for the USN. Kerry does flip-flop a lot. He is a politician. But, alot of what is "known" about his flip-flopingness is really propaganda. A story where the truth has been slightly altered so that the propagandist isn't lying, but mearly manipulating the truth. Example, it is said that Kerry flips by saying we need more money in the government but then voting to lower taxes. This is slightly true. In actuality the majority of the time he simply decides to vote to not raise taxes. And he has said the gov needs $ but has never said it should be procured through taxes. That is my two-cents on the issue, take it as you may.




NiteStryker

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#5 14 years ago

Nother flop:

In 1991, Kerry Supported Most-Favored Trade Status For China. “Sen. John Kerry said yesterday that he is breaking party ranks to support most-favored-nation trade status for China … ‘I think the president has some strong arguments about some of the assets of most-favored-nation status for China,’ Kerry said.” (John Aloysius Farrell, “Kerry Breaks Party Ranks To Back China Trade Status,” The Boston Globe, 6/15/91)

In 2000, Kerry Voted In Favor Of Permanent Normal Trade Relations With China. (H.R. 4444, CQ Vote #251: Passed 83-15: R 46-8; D 37-7, 9/19/00, Kerry Voted Yea)

Now Kerry Criticizes The Bush Administration For Trading With China. “Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said on Monday Americans workers were paying the price for President Bush's weak stance on trade with China and other countries. … On the bus tour, Kerry singled out the Bush administration's handling of trade with China and said that country was manipulating its currency.” (Caren Bohan, "Kerry Pledges Aggressive Trade Stance," Reuters, 4/26/04)




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#6 14 years ago

[color=red]Napalm says Patriot Act.[/color] [color=darkslategray]While it is true that Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, he did so in good faith that the Attorney General John Ashcroft would not abuse it. Since Ashcroft has abused it, most notably by the detention and later deporting of more than 6,000 Arab immigrants, as well as the detention of US citizen Joe Padilla on charges of being an "enemy combatant," as well as at least one confirmed case of send federal agents to a public library.[/color] This is what the 5th Amendment to the Constitution says: No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, [color=red]nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law[/color]; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. The US Justice Department's actions on Jose Padilla violate the 5th Amendment. John Kerry, realizing that he could not even trust John Ashcroft with the Patriot Act, now proposes that various changes be made to the Act which require Judicial or Congressional oversight before certain detentions and other actions can be taken. No points awarded to Napalm. [color=darkslategray][/color]




NiteStryker

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#7 14 years ago
Cataphract No points awarded to Napalm. [color=darkslategray][/color]

I disagree. Napalm made a very clear pointment that is accurate.I want you to show some proof that he abused the power. The whole deal with the 6,000 arabs? He wouldnt round em up just for fun.

We did the same thing when the Japs attacked Pearl Harbor. We rounded alot of em up just in case kinda thing...




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#8 14 years ago

[color=red]NiteStryker says No Child Left Behind.[/color] [color=darkslategray]John Kerry supports No Child Left Behind, and it says so on his website (http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/education/), where it says:[/color] Meet Our Responsibilities To Our Schools John Kerry and John Edwards will establish a National Education Trust Fund to ensure that schools always get the funding they need. They will also ensure that No Child Left Behind works for schools, states, and teachers by rewarding those who meet higher standards and rewarding schools that turn around and improve. Kerry criticizes Bush's lack of funding for No Child Left Behind, not the Act itself. Bush has underfunded his own mandate for funding for No Child Left Behind by $9 billion for the 2004 budget (http://www.tomallen.org/stopic.asp?contentID=596&issueID=86): Bush's Budgets Failed To Deliver Mandated Funding For His Own No Child Left Behind Act. The 2004 budget submitted by President Bush falls $9 billion short of the amount authorized for 2004 by his own No Child Left Behind Act. In February, 2003, the National Governors Association, which includes both Republicans and Democrats, voted unanimously to label Bush’s No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) an unfunded mandate, along with special education, homeland security and Medicaid. [Office of Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, 6/9/03; National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL), 2/03; New York Times, 2/5/03; Associated Press, 2/24/03; Washington Post, 4/1/03] [color=red]No points awarded to NiteStryker.[/color]




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#9 14 years ago

Cataphract I kno you are smarter than everyone and you kno everything, but sry to inform you buddy...that aint the case

Kerry Voted For No Child Left Behind Act. (H.R. 1, CQ Vote #371: Adopted 87-10: R 44-3; D 43-6; I 0-1, 12/18/01, Kerry Voted Yea)

But Now Kerry Is Attacking No Child Left Behind As “Mockery.” “Between now and the time I’m sworn in January 2005, I’m going to use every day to make this president accountable for making a mockery of the words ‘No Child Left Behind.’” (Holly Ramer, “Kerry Wants To Make ‘Environmental Justice’ A Priority,” The Associated Press, 4/22/03)

Kerry Trashed NCLB As ‘Unfunded Mandate’ With ‘Laudable’ Goals. “Kerry referred to [No Child Left Behind] as an ‘unfunded mandate’ with ‘laudable’ goals. ‘Without the resources, education reform is a sham,’ Kerry said. ‘I can’t wait to crisscross this country and hold this president accountable for making a mockery of the words “no child left behind.”‘“ (Matt Leon, “Sen. Kerry In Tune With Educators,” The [Quincy, MA] Patriot Ledger, 7/11/03)




FireSphere

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#10 14 years ago

[color=red]NiteStryker says Trade Agreements with China.[/color] [color=darkslategray]Kerry does not oppose trade with China. He never said he did.[/color]

Now Kerry Criticizes The Bush Administration For Trading With China. “Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said on Monday Americans workers were paying the price for President Bush's weak stance on trade with China and other countries. … On the bus tour, Kerry singled out the Bush administration's handling of trade with China and said that country was manipulating its currency.” (Caren Bohan, "Kerry Pledges Aggressive Trade Stance," Reuters, 4/26/04)

This does not say Kerry opposes trade with China. It only says he opposes Bush's failure to enforce trade and environmental laws in trade agreements with China. There's a difference. [color=red][/color] No points awarded to NiteStryker.