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#1 10 years ago

How do you explain the concept of being liberal or being conservative to a person that has absolutely no knowledge about politics whatsoever?




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#2 10 years ago

Depends, especially in America Liberalism has been warped completely from what it really means. Liberalism is a political orientation to which individual liberty is the most important aspect - something which is generally what American right-wingers or conservatives follow. Conservativeness on the other hand is easier to define, it means being averse to change in policy (to some degree) and preferring aspects of tradition.

So as you can see these two do not at all exclude each other. Quite the contrary, many conservatives are also fierce liberals.




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#3 10 years ago
Exploder;4215779How do you explain the concept of being liberal or being conservative to a person that has absolutely no knowledge about politics whatsoever?

By only using words of one syllable?

Politics affects just about everything. Who do you know that would not understand the word "change" and the concept of agreeing with it or not? I think that's just about the simplest explanation you could think of, even if it is a bit fuzzy.




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#4 10 years ago
Karst;4215787Depends, especially in America Liberalism has been warped completely from what it really means. Liberalism is a political orientation to which individual liberty is the most important aspect - something which is generally what American right-wingers or conservatives follow. Conservativeness on the other hand is easier to define, it means being averse to change in policy (to some degree) and preferring aspects of tradition. So as you can see these two do not at all exclude each other. Quite the contrary, many conservatives are also fierce liberals.

Very good – if you were in my class a few years back you’d be on your way to understanding US History and deserving of an A – Kudos. To add to it, when you hear of far right or left, these are folks who take these principles and warp them to elevate, defend and in some cases institute their concepts into the mainstream politic by whatever means. When this happens you get disruption, often leading to intense hatred, fear and contempt to the opposing ideal. Extremes to either side often form limiting freedoms upon people and restrictive socialistic and communistic federal systems can and will develop. Most libertarians and moderates fall within the concept of rational political and societal set of ideals stressing individual freedoms and limited government. To paraphrase Jeffersonian ideals: “government exists to serve the people, when it exceeds these directives then government should be dissolved in lieu of one that will”.




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#5 10 years ago

To be honest, too understand those two concepts, all you require is some basic knowledge of vocabulary. Conservative comes from to conserve. Which means keep as it is. Thus a force in society that is conservative will generally have strong roots in tradition, the family unit and quite often religion. It will also often be advising larger governments to help manage this status quo.

On the other hand liberal stems from liberty, which means freedom. Thus is it will generally advocate broader rights to all parties (for instance gay marriage), secularism and smaller governments.

And as was already said, both the far right and far left tend to be nutto. on the left you either find the anarchist, who oppose to any government at all, or the communist who propose a globalised mega government where everyone has exactly the same things. On the far right you tend to find xenophobes, who revel in keeping what they are as clean from outside influence as possible.

For instance the american Mormom's are far right, even if their society itself tends to be more leftist (agriculture shared between communities etc)




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#6 10 years ago
wraithcat;4215999To be honest, too understand those two concepts, all you require is some basic knowledge of vocabulary. Conservative comes from to conserve. Which means keep as it is. Thus a force in society that is conservative will generally have strong roots in tradition, the family unit and quite often religion. It will also often be advising larger governments to help manage this status quo. On the other hand liberal stems from liberty, which means freedom. Thus is it will generally advocate broader rights to all parties (for instance gay marriage), secularism and smaller governments.

That's a modern text book definition, but not applied properly to American politics anyway. back prior to the early 70's Republican's were often refered to as "liberal" - hence the bupper stickers you see on occasion that say "we want our word back". Conservatisim and Liberalisim has been tossed back and forth between the two political parties in this nation for a long time. A great observation of this is the former President John Kennedy. He would of had more in common with President Reagan (Reagan was a Democrat prior to running for Governer of California but changed political parties primarily because he felt his party had gravitated too far to socialist agendas - which, duh, limits freedoms to some respect) politcally than Obama as the political atmoshphere then and now was quite different between the parties.




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#7 10 years ago

What I don't understand about American politics is the area on the political scale, you have Conservative, which is slightly to the right wing (obviously not completely right-wing like a Dictatorship) and liberalism, which in britain is pretty much central, yet there is no left wing (the british labour party) so please explain to my unamerican brain.




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#8 10 years ago
Absent;4216021What I don't understand about American politics is the area on the political scale, you have Conservative, which is slightly to the right wing (obviously not completely right-wing like a Dictatorship) and liberalism, which in britain is pretty much central, yet there is no left wing (the british labour party) so please explain to my unamerican brain.

That's true. The American two party system has never had any sort of leftist party. The Republicans are far-right conservatives, and the Democrats are center-right progressives. Just like the political spectrum of the UK is shifted to the right compared to mainland Europe, the political spectrum in the US is shifted way to the right compared to the rest of the (western) world.




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#9 10 years ago

I believe that the american system does have it's own right and left, yet compared to Europe the entire thing is shifted somewhat to the right. Thus what the US often considers left, we see as centre and vice versa.

I remember doing an american political orientation test once. I consider myself somewhat right, yet on that test I came out as somewhat left.




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#10 10 years ago
Absent;4216021What I don't understand about American politics is the area on the political scale, you have Conservative, which is slightly to the right wing (obviously not completely right-wing like a Dictatorship) and liberalism, which in britain is pretty much central, yet there is no left wing (the british labour party) so please explain to my unamerican brain.

Well as you are aware and already know, Britain has a Constitutional Monarchy whereas we American’s have a Presidential Republic. Forgive me if I’m off a bit, but it is my understanding that Britain indeed has a liberal party known as the “liberal democratic party” which seeks to reform the stringent two party system Britain currently has. This party seeks primarily to reform the electoral system, giving more options to the people by (in hopes) of limiting the influence and control the current two party system has over parliament and the people in general. It’s my understanding that the Liberal Democrat Party seeks to return voting back to the people and move more away from socialist ideals much like France has been doing under the leadership of Nicolas Sarkozy; both governments have been looking towards China and how it has been slowly incorporating capitalism into the body politic. American influence over China’s economy thus far has been beneficial, but weather France, Britain or other European nations seek to follow China’s lead, is yet to be seen.