London bombing, man mistakingly killed. 87 replies

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*Soviet.Power

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#11 15 years ago

Its his own fault for not stopping when challenged by the armed police. If, as his family say, he spoke good English, he should have at least understood the word "stop". The annoying thing is, people say things like "we need to stop these attacks, there so terrible, is there no way to stop them" etc, but then when the police take actions like these, they start to say the police shouldn't be allowed to shoot suspected terrorists, incase they get it wrong. At the time, there was a 50-50 chance that the man either was a bomber, or wasn't. Either, you kill him, or he kills at least 10 people, or you don't kill him, and he isn't a bomber, and kills no-one.....I know what I'd do if faced with those odds.




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#12 15 years ago
MihailAfter he was shot and killed the london police said he was "directly linked" He was a DAILY communter, he had no reason to run, he was living in london for four years, it sounds more like BS from the police then "he ran away while the cops were chasing him"

Well the police are restrained by things which are very annoying, they cannot just turn around and say "We shot the rat because he ran." Can you imagine how that would go down in the sissy liberalised media over here?




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#13 15 years ago

Okay THE POLICE WERE DRESSED IN NORMAL CLOTHES PEOPLE! Seriously, now that I got more facts, it is even more stupid that the guy got killed the way he did. If some guys come up to you in a subway, with normal clothes with guns and try to target you, I would say most people might make a run for it. People might stop as well, but what would happen if they mugged you and killed you anyway? The police who shot the guy needs to be jailed.




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#14 15 years ago
X-COkay THE POLICE WERE DRESSED IN NORMAL CLOTHES PEOPLE! Seriously, now that I got more facts, it is even more stupid that the guy got killed the way he did. If some guys come up to you in a subway, with normal clothes with guns and try to target you, I would say most people might make a run for it. People might stop as well, but what would happen if they mugged you and killed you anyway? The police who shot the guy needs to be jailed.

...he was chased by uniformed and plain-clothed Police, however, those in plain clothes caught up with him, while those in uniform fell behind. They were justified to shoot him.




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#15 15 years ago
X-CSeriously, now that I got more facts, it is even more stupid that the guy got killed the way he did. If some guys come up to you in a subway, with normal clothes with guns and try to target you, I would say most people might make a run for it. People might stop as well, but what would happen if they mugged you and killed you anyway?

In the middle of a crowd, in front of hundreds of witnesses? Yeah, that's likely to happen. :rolleyes:




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#16 15 years ago

I posted this before in General Discussion but ill post it again (little edited).

Thats sad. Police had no choise though and i think they did the right thing.

Maybe he didnt stop because maybe police was few meters behind him and when he was on a crowded subway station he propably thought that they werent talking to him. He also might had been in a hurry and saw the train standing there so he started running towards it so he wouldnt miss it.

Or if he saw the police in plain clothes telling him to stop and maybe to come with them (without straight away saying that they are cops), he might had thought that they are some racists who want to kill/beat him up because he looks like Asian. This one is quite unpropable though.:uhm:

Just those 5 bullets from really close to head, i think is too much. If he didnt have metal plate around his skull, 1 bullet from that (or any) distance to head should do the trick.




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#17 15 years ago
NemmerleIn the middle of a crowd, in front of hundreds of witnesses? Yeah, that's likely to happen. :rolleyes:

You don't know what was going through the guys head. He obviously had nothing to hide, so he was scared. He wasn't even a Muslum, he was Roman Catholic. The fact that the cop got on him and killed him execution style is even more disturbing. If the cop was trying to prevent him from blowing himself up, it doesn't make sense that they would get right on him.




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#18 15 years ago
X-CThe fact that the cop got on him and killed him execution style is even more disturbing. If the cop was trying to prevent him from blowing himself up, it doesn't make sense that they would get right on him.

...What would you do then?




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#19 15 years ago
silian...What would you do then?

I wouldn't shoot him from right on top of him. I would shoot him from a distance. Then again there were a lot of people around. Once you got the guy tackled, they could have easily gotten his arms pinned down, and they could have checked him for bombs. I think this cop was too trigger happy. I wouldn't want guys like him on the force if I were from London.




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#20 15 years ago

X-CYou don't know what was going through the guys head. He obviously had nothing to hide, so he was scared.[/QUOTE]

And you know he had nothing to hide how? How were the officers following him to know that? It's all very easy for you to sit here and say he had nothing to hide, and maybe he didn't but that's not really relevant anymore, he ran from police and he got what was coming to him.

X-CHe wasn't even a Muslum, he was Roman Catholic.

Are you trying to suggest that Muslims are more predisposed towards acts of violence and terrorism here; or that it would have been more justified if he were a muslim? I mean, like I give a fuck what religion the man was.

[QUOTE=X-C]The fact that the cop got on him and killed him execution style is even more disturbing. If the cop was trying to prevent him from blowing himself up, it doesn't make sense that they would get right on him.

Picture this: You're chasing a man you think might have a bomb, barely a hands breadth from him, yelling at him to stop, and he dives for the floor. You think you see him reaching for a toggle, your heart skips a beat and you fall on-top of him, you unload five rounds into his head before he can pull the toggle. Now there's nothing wrong with that, it might be regrettable but it simply had to be done.