Machiavelli on the People 4 replies

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Metall_pingwin

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#1 10 years ago

One of the most popular criticisms of the views expressed in the prince is that they are cruel, inconsiderate and inhumane. Whatever the reason behind such criticisms, it seems to stem from the disregard of one major idea: The importance of his royal subjects to the prince. Having dedicated multiple chapters to the issue, Machiavelli repeatedly tries to highlight the time and effort time one must spend earning the respect of his people. It is however not sufficient to only have respect, as the prince cannot earn it from each individual. There will always be those seeking to take him down, therefore it is equally valuable to instill some degree of fear in the royal subjects. Because however, it is a far more arduous task to build up respect than to destroy it with a sword, Machiavelli ultimately encourages the ruler to commit as much time as possible in his people's favor, and use whatever “spare respect” he has to assert his might.

I would like to discuss this, see your opinions on what I said here. But please, as a favor to me. Make sure you have read Machiavelli's "The Prince" prior to judging his theories. I do not care for refurbished second hand analysis, but your personal opinion.




Joe Bonham

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#2 10 years ago

The world would be a far better place if Machiavelli was more widely followed (competently). Having a machiavellian leader is a huge improvement over being led by an idiot.




WiseBobo

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#3 10 years ago
Bohemund;4368835The world would be a far better place if Machiavelli was more widely followed (competently). Having a machiavellian leader is a huge improvement over being led by an idiot.

Ridiculous. A good leader doesn't have to use fear or coercion to be followed. People will recognize a good leader and follow him willingly.




Mr. Pedantic

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#4 10 years ago
Ridiculous. A good leader doesn't have to use fear or coercion to be followed. People will recognize a good leader and follow him willingly.

Yet at the same time, a good leader would realize that no matter how 'good' he/she is, there will always be people who don't like his/her rule. We don't live in a perfect world where we have leaders that are unerringly loved by all.




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#5 10 years ago
WiseBobo;4368995Ridiculous. A good leader doesn't have to use fear or coercion to be followed. People will recognize a good leader and follow him willingly.

People will follow a good leader, just not all the people. You can only ever be a, 'good,' leader for a portion of the population, which is entirely why you need a certain amount of fear and coercion.