If your not Canadian then go away. :lulz: The Liberal party has been in steep decline for the past few years, the NDP is too small, which has led to the Conservatives gaining numbers. Now I'm happy with the current political situation in Canada. I just don't like the Liberals, I think they havent had a good leader in a very very long time and they are just fail in general, they are broke too. The Conservatives I don't like much more, better than the Liberals but they are far more intellegent and cunning. Some might say its a good thing but they are intellegent and cunning in a bad way. The Conservatives have a hidden agenda, all political parties do, but they have a very big and very bad one. Everyone with a brain in Canada knows this. But they don't pay much attention to it, there hasn't been a Majority Government here in a while, and so nobody is worried, but now... The Conservatives have been gaining support because of Liberal failures, and I am fearful that is the Conservatives get a Majority Government then they will be up to some dirty deeds. I dont know what, but that Harper is much more sneaky than you'd think. So, do you think a Majority Government will come? The Liberals certainly aren't going to just gain back support anytime soon, the NDP has been a small party since its creation. Nobody outside of Quebec votes Bloc, and not even everyone in Quebec does vote Bloc, and the Green Party? Well the fucking hippies are lucky if they get a single seat in BC and the Maritimes. This leaves the Conservatives, it certainly looks like they might get one if things continue to go the way they have been.
I don't honestly know if there will be a majority government any time soon, but I haven't followed politics all that much since 2004/5. It's certainly possible the Conservatives can get a majority, people seem to be buying into Harper's bullshit more and more.
The Liberals have been in decline since the Chretien years, which a real high time for the Liberal Party in the last few decades since they had little in the way of a cohesive opposition party after the fall of the Progressive Conservatives after Meech Lake, Charlottetown and the crook Mulroney. The big "sponsorship scandal" was milked like a pornstar by the Conservatives, getting them into power. Then the Liberals got stuck with inept leaders like Dion and Ignatieff while more suitable, higher profile candidates like Frank McKenna, Allan Rock (props UOttawa), and Brian Tobin all declined to run for the leadership. Basically the Liberals are screwed for the time being until they can bring a good leader and/or expose the Conservatives in some manner. I don't get why they haven't brought up Harper's letter to the Wall Street Journal condemning Canada for not joining the Iraq War? Anyways, its all cyclical and Canada's natural ruling party will someday take back Parliament and rule for another lengthy period like it has in the past.
The NDP, Layton looks like a pervert with that moustache and the party's politics just aren't that resoundingly popular outside leftist circles. Same goes for the Green Party, they and the NDP really only serve to help split the vote.
The Bloc, well the Bloc doesn't run any candidate outside Quebec and are truly a regional party, representing la belle province and protecting the province's rights on the federal level. They can never win a majority, but since Quebec has a big chunk of the seats in Parliament, the Bloc always has the potential of being the king maker for minority governments and always be a thorn in the side to federalists.
Now the Conservatives. I'm not a fan of Stephen Harper (or any of the big parties politicians really), or the way he presents himself in that "holier than thou" attitude. He's routinely gone against his party's previous agendas, like instituting set election dates, only to threaten to get parliament dissolved and force a new election when his popularity is high. There was the entire deal with the new ethical regulations for members of parliament that his party not only introduced, but then subsequently ignore and openly disregard. He and the Conservatives pushed the idea that a coalition of the smaller parties taking power was undemocratic (when its completely legal and fine in the Canadian system). I'm more against the Conservatives and Stephen Harper than any other party or politician in Canada, don't know if its the arrogance or the underhanded dealings.
I've never understood though why the Conservatives have for so long argued for Senate Reform, the institution of an elected senate, but when they get to power, they instead appoint more of their cronies into the senate. Its what they always argued was a terrible thing, but they don't seem to complain when they can do it. I'm for senate reform, hell I'm for some big reform, mainly getting rid of the monarchy in Canada and that stupid governor general who gets to live in a big mansion in Ottawa and fly around the world "promoting Canada" on the taxpayers' dime, bitch.
I get its tradition and all, but really, why is someone who lives thousands of kilometers away and rarely visits Canada nor probly doesn't give two shits about us get to be our Head of State? Fuck her.
Frankly though, I just don't care to vote on the federal or even provincial levels anymore, at least on the municipal level the results are much more visible. All those members of parliament do is bicker and argue over who did what and why they're right and the other party is wrong before voting unanimously for a pay raise and/or extending their vacations.
Personally,I truely believe that the Bloc should be outlawed, their members executed for treason. Thats my opinion, I hate these fucking seperatist scum. With the Bloc gone Canada will become a more efficiant country. People in Quebec just vote for the Bloc, who just annoy people in Parliment. So people in Quebec can vote for one of the parties that actually cares about Canada. The Bloc cares about Quebec, nothing else. Why should we have a Party that only gives a shit about 1 province?
Destroyer25;5172647Personally,I truely believe that the Bloc should be outlawed, their members executed for treason. Thats my opinion, I hate these fucking seperatist scum. With the Bloc gone Canada will become a more efficiant country. People in Quebec just vote for the Bloc, who just annoy people in Parliment. So people in Quebec can vote for one of the parties that actually cares about Canada. The Bloc cares about Quebec, nothing else. Why should we have a Party that only gives a shit about 1 province?
Its the nature of Canadian politics and only democratic for a party to exist to represent a region or people. It's like the Reform Party and Canadian Alliance from years ago, hugely regional parties representing Western Canada for the most part. I may not agree with some of their core principals, but I think the Bloc surely has the right to exist as they have and continue to protect provincial rights and prevent the federal government from intruding on provincial powers. Its always been a big issue in Canadian politics, the conflict between federal and provincial governments, the Bloc is simply the most recent party to emerge that is willing to protect provincial rights (among other things).
It might not be fair, but its democracy. Western Canada would cry foul if an Ontario-only party emerged and swept the province in elections on a platform of protecting Ontario, the industrial and financial centre of Canada. The Bloc more than anything is a problem for the Liberals who could easily count on a majority by sweeping Ontario and Quebec, but the Liberal Party has alienated itself in Quebec and hasn't made the inroads in the province that they could years ago.
Also, take a look at the 1993 Federal Election, the outcome really came down to regional voting blocs (Quebec = Bloc, Reform = West, and Liberals took the Maritimes and Ontario).
But the Conservatives and liberals care about Canada as a whole, Conservatives might favour the west but thats just because its their political base. While the Bloc only care about Canada if somehow they ever won an election. They'd just declare Quebec independant and then go rule their country.
Isn't a group in Quebec trying to secede?
Sadim-Al-Bouncer;5172962Isn't a group in Quebec trying to secede?
There are many seperatists in Quebec. Less now though, I've killed a lot. :evilgrin:
I take what n0e says way too seriously
25th August 2003
I believe if there was an election anytime soon, harper would get a majority no problem. The liberals are in decline right now due to bad leadership and the NDP are just to small. Personal I would be glad for a Majority government, Miniorty governments move to slowly and get little done. Harper would do a good job in a Majority government,I just hope it comes soon.
Sadim-Al-Bouncer;5172962Isn't a group in Quebec trying to secede?
Only a few of them. It's more comparable to the situation in the UK with the Scottish parties.
Though to say that that these party members deserve to be banned, much less die, because they aren't repesenting the country as a whole is horribly short sighted. The Quebecois have interests that they feel other parties do not adequately address.
The point of political parties is to represent their own group. If that group is based on socio-economic, ideology, ethnicity, or some combination of them, this is how it rolls. Banning this kind of voice institutes the facade of democracy that countries like Turkey have.
And all in all, it works in their favor because often time a party might have to look for their support to form a government, and at least secure the demands they want that the parties wouldn't ordinarily care about.
As for the question at hand I can't see them securing majority government. They'll probably be deadlocked at the current state because the country has problems here and there, and I don't think the Conservatives can continuously make gains off the Liberal Party's failures if they aren't providing much successes of their own. I remember reading an article when Harper progued parliament in order to avoid a vote of no confidence, and while it prevented the vote, it indicates to me that he has a steep road if Harper wants to guide his party to secure a majority.
I guess Medicare would be the deciding factor here, and I'm not sufficiently aware of Canada to say whether the Conservatives have dramatically improved it.
As for the fates of parties, sometimes they can randomly have a resurgence in power. I think you can find examples in other countries where a party seems to be weak in one decade, but strong in the next. Things can change.
evildude;5176949I believe if there was an election anytime soon, harper would get a majority no problem. The liberals are in decline right now due to bad leadership and the NDP are just to small. Personal I would be glad for a Majority government, Miniorty governments move to slowly and get little done. Harper would do a good job in a Majority government,I just hope it comes soon.
Sure majority governments get shit done but if the Conservatives get one they could put their secret plans into action. A lot of people believe that the Conservatives are up to no good.