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WarHawk109

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#21 14 years ago

America should annex the moon.




tusse

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#22 14 years ago
WarHawk109Falling behind? WTF? China is at where the USA was 50 years ago in terms of space exploration.

48 years ago russia was sending sputniks into space, while your rockets was exploding on the launchpad! Where China is ahead right now is in regard of momentum.. Dont get me wrong, Im a great fan of space exploration, and know what the US have achieved in this field... But right now your manned spaceprogram is pinned down due to an outdated shuttlesystem! And, may I add, it was outdated even before Challenger exploded in january 1986 as it didnt meet the calculated cost effectiveness and frequency in launches. And even worse: The blind faith in the shuttle on behalf of NASA have resulted in 2 decades being lost, where alternatives could have been build. I hope for a US-China race to the moon! That would be cool!




Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#23 14 years ago

I hope for a race to the moon -- but I foresee a race to weaponise space.




WarHawk109

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#24 14 years ago
NemmerleI hope for a race to the moon -- but I foresee a race to weaponise space.

Good.




Blood n Guts

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#25 14 years ago

The 13th RaptorWait a second, isnt the moon owned by the US? I clearly remember a flag being planted there...[/quote]If the US owns the moon, then the University of Michigan has a corporate stake in it since the Apollo 15 crew planted the U of M flag at their landing site.

[QUOTE=tusse]Dont get me wrong, Im a great fan of space exploration, and know what the US have achieved in this field... But right now your manned spaceprogram is pinned down due to an outdated shuttlesystem! And, may I add, it was outdated even before Challenger exploded in january 1986 as it didnt meet the calculated cost effectiveness and frequency in launches. And even worse: The blind faith in the shuttle on behalf of NASA have resulted in 2 decades being lost, where alternatives could have been build.

The space shuttle never made good on its overly ambitious payload delivery costs and promised launch schedule, but nonetheless, it provided solid payload and manned delivery capabilities as well as space research capabilities surpassed only by permanent space stations. IIRC, the cost of delivering a shuttle payload or crew into space is cheaper when done solely by rocket, but the combined cost of sending them separately is more expensive. A replacement has only been necessary in the past 4 years due to the age of the shuttles. The replacement (CEV) will offer different capabilities. Now, thanks to the the international space station, there is not as much need for missions involving research, so it will be designed much more like a traditional rocket. To save moeny, the replacement CEV is supposed to come in both a crew + payload and a crew only model. This will save costs by only spending the extra money needed to transport payloads when needed, the smaller crew only model will deliver men to the international space station.

I hope for a US-China race to the moon! That would be cool!

Then China's already behind. One of the design specifications of the CEV competition is the ability to travel to the moon.




Ensign Riles VIP Member

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#26 14 years ago
WarHawk109Good.

Not good. Reagan's Star Wars program is one thing, but having actual weapons up there is more dangerous than having nuclear missles. I for one don't want to live in a society where being in the bomb shelter business is good money, and children watch turtles on the morning cartoons singing happy songs about nuclear holocaust.




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#27 14 years ago
NemmerleI hope for a race to the moon -- but I foresee a race to weaponise space.

Yes, now we can have space cowboys...for real!! Then we can build a partice cannon(C&C generals) then there is no need for airplanes to bomb people, just call in some from space:). That is scary, some good hackers can get control of it and bam there goes NYC.

I would love to see the defence budgest cut by like %25(around 100 billion dollars) and some of it given to NASA(it has a 14 billion dollar budget). Trust me, they can cut some pointless programs like new ships(Our navy is fine as it is), and spend their money more frugally. If NASA had a 100 billion dollar budget we could get a base on the moon in 5 years and one on Mars in 15. Science and space are the future, why deny them the funds to do what they want to?




Tas

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#28 14 years ago
Pethegreatâ„¢Yes, now we can have space cowboys...for real!! Then we can build a partice cannon(C&C generals) then there is no need for airplanes to bomb people, just call in some from space:). That is scary, some good hackers can get control of it and bam there goes NYC.

Thats why we have to put genetically enhanced monkeys up there in case the computers fail.




Red Menace

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#29 14 years ago

The 1967 Outer Space Treaty bans the use of outer space including the Moon or any other celestial body to that of peaceful purposes only. Also the U.N. recognizes the Moon as similar to international waters, to which no one owns.


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#30 14 years ago

WarHawk109Good.[/QUOTE] Pick a face, flip a coin.

Did you lose; did you win? Whoever weaponises space first will be able to dictate the law to everyone else on earth, and as it stands the country that does it will either be a tyrant-like regime (IE China) or a country that lacks the balls to take advantage of it (IE America.)

The best you can hope for would be that both sides manage to weaponise space with America, or some other such country, doing it first so that you don't have the Chinese or the North Koreans dictating the law to you. And that's not a nice thought, we lived with the threat of nuclear annihilation for many decades, though it is starting to rear its head again do you really want to give the world another such legacy?

[QUOTE=Red Menace]The 1967 Outer Space Treaty bans the use of outer space including the Moon or any other celestial body to that of peaceful purposes only.

For any country that chooses to recognise it.