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NiteStryker

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#1 13 years ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/creation_museum

Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate

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PETERSBURG, Ky. - Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question — when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky. ADVERTISEMENT

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs — based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures — including Tyrannosaurus Rex — were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views — and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"

:lol:

What makes me laugh is this:

"Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures — including Tyrannosaurus Rex — were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth."

Now, each person is entitled to their opinion, (which I dont believe is true at all but thats the general concenses here, so go along with me for a minute), but man and dinosaur never coexisted. That is one of the more untelligent ideas I have heard reguarding the creation - vs - evolution theroy.




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#2 13 years ago

God..... This guy is what I would call a brainwashed over-religious person :eek:




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#3 13 years ago

This is the biggest waste of money to confirm a fake scientific idea since the Nazi expedition to Tibet to prove the prior existance of a German master race.




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#4 13 years ago

There is enough proof of evolution to convince even the most religious person. The only out would be that the first single celled organisms were created by a god and then evolved. But the Earth? 6,000 years old? Thats utterly ridiculous.




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#5 13 years ago

This is an example of a person who is rearranging the facts in order to fit his beliefs, rather than adjusting his beliefs to fit facts.




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#6 13 years ago
"Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures — including Tyrannosaurus Rex — were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth."

lol Holy muck...that is funny. Or perhaps... :uhoh: Rock cannot be eroded like that in weeks, or even months, or even decades; I don't care how big they claim the Flood was. The size of something needed to produce the water pressure needed for that is astronomical and is beyond absurd. And a T-rex on the Ark...gee, I missed that one. Right next to the unicorn and a dragon, a pink elephant, and a talking walnut. They all sang songs with Barney... This gets a 9.9 on my Silly-Shit-O-Meter.




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#7 13 years ago

This isn't really surprising in my opinion, as for instance there's been cases of Imax movies being banned because of advocating evolution. I found this rather amusing:

www.commondreams.org news articleCarol Murray, marketing director of the Fort Worth Museum of Science and History in Texas, said audience members who had watched Volcanoes had commented 'I really hate it when the theory of evolution is presented as fact'.[/quote] This is abit scary as well, since it's true... [quote=James Cameron, director of Imax movie 'Aliens of the Deep']'It seems to be a new phenomenon, obviously symptomatic of our shift away from empiricism in science to faith-based science,'



[CoUk]niu

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#8 13 years ago

Some nuts are just wealthier than others.




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#9 13 years ago

Would that include the talking one?




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#10 13 years ago

It's called 'respecting the beliefs of others'. Maybe you children could learn that some time? We have some Creationists right here on these forums -- I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been closed as little more than flaming/trolling.