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AmericanSaint

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#1 14 years ago

I really cannot describe how many things anger me about this, but I'll let you all read it first. I hope this incites a strong reaction:

NewsMax.comCongress Funds Psychological Tests for Kids Dave Eberhart, NewsMax.com Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2004 One of the nation's leading medical groups, the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS), decried a move by the U.S. Senate to join with the House in funding a federal program AAPS says will lead to mandatory psychological testing of every child in America – without the consent of parents.

When the Senate considered an omnibus appropriations bill last week that included funding for grants to implement universal mental health screening for almost 60 million children, pregnant women and adults through schools and pre-schools, it approved $20 million of the $44 million sought, Kathryn Serkes, public affairs counsel for AAPS, told NewsMax.

This $20 million matches a like amount already approved by the House, Serkes advised.

While the funding cut of some $24 million was a little good news, suggested Serkes, whose organization has zealously opposed the the measure, she said the organization was most worried about the failure of Congress to include “parental consent” language sought by the AAPS.

Last September, AAPS lifetime member Rep. Ron Paul, M.D., R-Texas, tried to stop the plan in its tracks by offering an amendment to the Labor, HHS, and Education Appropriations Act for FY 2005. The amendment received 95 “yes” votes, but it failed to pass.

According to Serkes, Paul is now mulling offering stand-alone legislation in the next session to once again try and get a provision for parental consent.

The federal bill on its face does not require mandatory mental health testing to be imposed upon states or local schools, explained Serkes.

However, the HHS appropriations bill contains block grant money that will likely be used – as is often the case with block funding – by the various states to implement mandatory psychological testing programs for all students in the school system.

The spending bill has its roots in the recommendations of the New Freedom Commission on Mental Health, created by President Bush in 2002 to propose ways of eliminating waste and improve efficiency and effectiveness of the mental health care delivery system.

Although the report does not specifically recommend screening all students, it does suggest that “schools are in a key position to identify the mental health problems early and to provide a link to appropriate services.”

The bottom line, explained Serkes, is that a state receiving money under this appropriation will likely make its mental testing of kids mandatory – and not be out of synch with the federal enactment.

The other telling point, said Serkes, is that although the relatively minimal funding at this point is certainly not enough to fund mandatory mental testing for kids countrywide, it’s an ominous start:

“Once it’s established and has funding, a program exhibits the nettlesome property of being self-sustaining – it gets a life of its own. More funding follows.”

Officials of the AAPS decry in the measure what they see as “a dangerous scheme that will heap even more coercive pressure on parents to medicate children with potentially dangerous side effects.”

One of the most “dangerous side effects” from antidepressants commonly prescribed to children is suicide, regarding which AAPS added, “Further, even the government’s own task force has concluded that mental health screening does little to prevent suicide.”

Meanwhile, Rep. Paul says the mental testing scheme is a looming feature of "Big Brother" that if unchecked will push parental rights out of the picture:

“At issue is the fundamental right of parents to decide what medical treatment is appropriate for their children. The notion of federal bureaucrats ordering potentially millions of youngsters to take psychotropic drugs like Ritalin strikes an emotional chord with American parents, who are sick of relinquishing more and more parental control to government.

“Once created, federal programs are nearly impossible to eliminate. Anyone who understands bureaucracies knows they assume more and more power incrementally. A few scattered state programs over time will be replaced by a federal program implemented in a few select cities. Once the limited federal program is accepted, it will be expanded nationwide. Once in place throughout the country, the screening program will become mandatory.

“Soviet communists attempted to paint all opposition to the state as mental illness. It now seems our own federal government wants to create a therapeutic nanny state, beginning with schoolchildren. It’s not hard to imagine a time 20 or 30 years from now when government psychiatrists stigmatize children whose religious, social, or political values do not comport with those of the politically correct, secular state.

“American parents must do everything they can to remain responsible for their children’s well-being. If we allow government to become intimately involved with our children’s minds and bodies, we will have lost the final vestiges of parental authority. Strong families are the last line of defense against an overreaching bureaucratic state.”

So lets see. If I have religious beliefs, then I must be crazy. If I believe that abortion is wrong then I am not just closed minded but also mentally ill. If I do not believe in "political correctness" then I have psychological problems and need to take Ritalin. I mean come on. Already it is bad enough to be labeled as mentally ill. We cast those people onto the streets to fend for themselves. How do you think it will be if kids are being constantly misdiagnosed for mental illness, which I gauruntee will happen. According to this, I would be mentally unfit. I would be REQUIRED to take medication even without parental consent. The ridiculousness of beauracricy has come to a new level. Congratualtions on being complete maroons. (*Bugs Bunny*: "What a maroon")




AmericanSaint

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#2 14 years ago

Am I the only person that finds this idea ludicrous???




BK898

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#3 14 years ago

I wonder what ages they consider to be "kids"......




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#4 14 years ago

Who the HELL, thought up this idea?

Mental screenings?? How do you know the proper answers? And who are they to judge are thoughts and beliefs?

I will tell you people a name of a book this reminds me of:

1984




Scijox

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#5 14 years ago

Thankx for another four years suckers big brotha be out to get you. Ahhhh 2004 does rhyme with 1984. If thats even true I'll be surprised and if it is and gets passed then I am out of here. If it passes there will be fighting and chaos everywhere people will be killed I doubt that even out wonderful congress that out o so intellegent president :rolleyes: gave us will let it pass.




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#6 14 years ago

I agree that it's a bad thing. But what you said about it being used to deem people as insane who think abortion is wrong, etc is probably false. That is merely what this Rep. Paul said. It sounds like it was included to try to rile you up and make you oppose the bill based on pure emotion alone. I think we need to be reasonable about this, not emotional (like in so many other things, such as the Iraq War). It's not just the federal government that can be complete idiots about diagnosing people as having mental problems. The school system of the town where I grew up (this is on the local level), declared me autistic when I was a little kid. They sent me to a "retard school" over that summer. Turns out they were fucking wrong, those assholes. :mad: I'm not autistic just because I happen to be smarter than average.




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#7 14 years ago

I would have no problem with this....but I object to it because its WITHOUT parental consent




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#8 14 years ago

I have a problem with it no matter what. THink of how this can be used to turn America into a dictatorship. If this passes we're screwed. America is not the best right now but if congress passes this I'm ganna join all the America bashers out there.




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#9 14 years ago

well it would weed out the stupid kids from the dumb ones from the smart ones and then the kids could be placed in different learning level classes to help them.




Col Jimmy Emeric

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#10 14 years ago

What the FUC* why the hell would they do this!

i dont even agree with the way they drug up all these kids up now

they are trying to make everyone the same they force people to take antidepressents they force kids who have add or adhd to take riddelin (sp?) i hate this they are trying to make everyone the same

think some of the greatest wrighters and artists were depressed like Edgar Allen Poe if they had been forced to take anti depressents then we would lose many wrighters and artists

i also hate how over 50% of the kids today are being treated for add and adhd mabe some kids are just ment to be energetic

not everyone has to be the same and these dipshi*s who brought up this mental screening thing is going to make everyone the same

there are things like depression that doctors call abnormal but it isnt many people who have adhd who daydream during class are just bored with what the people are teaching or are thinking of greater things or the class is moving too slow for them this just pisses me off people are supposed to be different

my mom teaches a class at a church and 85% of the kids (secong and third graders) are being treated for add and adhd wtf little kids are supposed to be hyper they always are and they always will you cant do anything about that and you shouldnt

many musicians, artists, and wrighters if tested today would probably have one of their mental "problems" such as Edgar Allen Poe, John Lennon (teachers once said on a report card that he was a "Hopless wrighter" and that he would always day dream and it was his imagination that made him such a great wrighter) Syd Barret (one of the founding members of Pink Floyd was deemed mentaly unstable and because of that kicked out of the band, he was a great wrighter and Pink Floyd probably wouldnt be what they are today with out him) Jimi Hendrix i think was bipolar, and like what cataphract said they catagorize people as autistic and end up being wrong

no one even fully understands how the brain works and they think that we only use about 12-13% of our brains full potential so if they dont even understand how it works then what the hell makes them think they can correctly catagorize people with mental problems and shi* like that




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