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Joe Bonham

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#1 11 years ago

This is an article on various monuments in the USA in Europe. Old monuments used to commemorate military victories, great leaders... now they're a little different. Trafalgar Square:

A year ago, London’s Mayor “Red Ken” Livingstone unveiled a new statue on the famous “empty plinth” in Trafalgar Square. Sharing the heart of the capital with King George IV, General Sir Charles Napier and Major General Sir Henry Havelock these days is Alison Lapper, an armless woman heavily pregnant. At the unveiling, Miss Lapper said the new statue would force Britons to “confront their prejudices” about disability. As my old editor, Charles Moore, pointed out, Trafalgar Square already has a monument to persons who’ve overcome disability: the one-eyed one-armed Admiral Lord Nelson standing on his column and no doubt bemused by the modish posturing below. Red Ken became weirdly obsessed, as is his wont, by the dead white males clogging up the square and was anxious to even up the score. He professed never to have heard of General Napier or General Havelock, which is a sad comment – not that he should be so ignorant, but that he should be so boastful of his ignorance.

Arizona 9/11 Memorial

Another monument: the Arizona 9/11 Memorial. It is a remarkable sight. Five years after the slaughter of thousands of Americans, one had long ago given up all hope that the nation might rouse itself to erect, as James Lileks put it at National Review Online, “a classical memorial in the plaza with allegorical figures representing Sorrow and Resolve, and a fountain watched over by stern stone eagles”. But, even so, the Arizona memorial is an almost parodic exercise in civilizational self-loathing, festooned in slogans that read like a brainstorming session for a Daily Kos publicity campaign: “You don’t win battles of terrorism with more battles.” “Foreign-born Americans afraid.” “Erroneous US airstrike kills 46 Uruzgan civilians.” And this is the official state memorial. Governor Napolitano called it “great” and “honorable”. It isn’t. It’s small and contemptible.

http://www.steynonline.com/pageprint.cfm?edit_id=25 I saw a picture of the new addition to trafalgar square [Warning: Weird and pornographic]:

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I guess this is a good representation of the welfare state - she spends her spare time learning to paint despite her disability (Which is pretty good), and then gets pregnant so she can get a larger welfare check. And they make a statue of her next to Nelson and Napier. I think this sums up the whole trend well:

Assuming it survives, future generations will stand before it and marvel – either that the United States is still around or that such an obviously deranged country even needed an enemy to lose to.

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#2 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3378854 I saw a picture of the new addition to trafalgar square [Warning: Weird and pornographic]:
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I guess this is a good representation of the welfare state - she spends her spare time learning to paint despite her disability (Which is pretty good), and then gets pregnant so she can get a larger welfare check. And they make a statue of her next to Nelson and Napier. I think this sums up the whole trend well:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Funny monument it is, and I would agree it is somewhat out of place. If you consider that pornographic, however, you should see some of the gangbangs that Michaelangelo has painted!




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#3 11 years ago
Funny monument it is, and I would agree it is somewhat out of place.

Actually, it fits in perfectly with current culture, which is kind of pitiful.

If you consider that pornographic, however, you should see some of the gangbangs that Michaelangelo has painted!

I just don't want some dumbass seeing it, complaining to a mod, and getting me temp banned. ;)




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#4 11 years ago

All three of those make me want to punch something in the face. Preferably the people who pushed for them.




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#5 11 years ago
Machiavelli's Apprentice;3378949Actually, it fits in perfectly with current culture, which is kind of pitiful.

There are so many cultures in this country, that I don't know which one you are talking about. We are a melting pot after all...;)




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#6 11 years ago

The WWII memorial opened up in April 29, 2004. If any monument could represent American society (which no single monument can) I would choose that one as a representation.

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/




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#7 11 years ago

Bob L. Scrachy;3379036The WWII memorial opened up in April 29, 2004. If any monument could represent American society (which no single monument can) I would choose that one as a representation.

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/

Indeed. I've visited the WWII memorial and in my opinion it is one of the most beautiful monuments I've ever seen. Something about walking up and running my hand across the Michigan portion of the monument really made me feel somehow connected to history. Reading the names of the battles and seeing the stars representing the casualties of the war. Truly amazing.

I also suggest visiting the Korean war memorial at night. The way it is lit up is booth spooky and amazing.




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#8 11 years ago

The armless woman is just a 'normal' statue placed next to a monument.




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#9 11 years ago

I remember the debate over the placement of that statue. It made me quite angry actually. It's meant to be a symbol of courage in the face of adversity, etc. That's fine by me. But I find the well-orchestrated controversy of its placement very patronising. The first thing I thought was "it's going to be out of place next to Nelson's column", which with hindsight I realise was naive, because the whole point is that it appears out of place. That way more people will notice it and be forced to "confront their prejudices". Personally I think most of us had already confronted our prejudices and didn't need reminding, and for the ones that hadn't, the statue's placement was clearly only going to make matters worse. But sending out shallow and redundant "messages" naturally takes precedence over rational thought. Having said that...

I guess this is a good representation of the welfare state - she spends her spare time learning to paint despite her disability (Which is pretty good), and then gets pregnant so she can get a larger welfare check. And they make a statue of her next to Nelson and Napier.

I hope you're joking.




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#10 11 years ago
I hope you're joking.

What? You did notice she was getting a little wide in the middle, didn't you? Very common tactic in the ghettos. The more kids you have, the more money you get.