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#1 6 years ago

For those of you who don't know, Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, an organization that basically says that the creation story of the Bible is true. I would have posted this in the other thread, but I found this particular "scientist" rather intriguing.

Just take a look at some of his sayings =p

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"Many Christians have been duped into accepting a false idea: that there is a "neutral" position they can take in regard to social issues. Some Christians even accept the myth that the U.S. Constitution declares that there should be a separation of church and state, and, thus, they don't want their Christian beliefs to influence politics."

" Only Christianity and its teachings can explain the purpose and meaning of this world--and also gives the basis for right and wrong, good and evil, etc."

“We're putting evolutionists on notice: We're taking the dinosaurs back.”

"“It was a groundbreaking work in that he basically, in this culture, in this day and age, showed that there were scientific answers to be able to defend the Christian faith and uphold the Bible's account.”"

And of course this:

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A young man approached me at a seminar and stated, ‘Well, I still believe in the big bang, and that we arrived here by chance random processes. I don’t believe in God.’ I answered him, ‘Well, then obviously your brain, and your thought processes, are also the product of randomness. So you don’t know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you don’t know if you’re making correct statements or even whether you’re asking me the right questions.’ The young man looked at me and blurted out, ‘What was that book you recommended?’ He finally realized that his belief undercut its own foundations —such ‘reasoning’ destroys the very basis for reason. On another occasion, a man came to me after a seminar and said, ‘Actually, I’m an atheist. Because I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in absolutes, so I recognize that I can’t even be sure of reality.’ I responded, ‘Then how do you know you’re really here making this statement?’ ‘Good point,’ he replied. ‘What point?’ I asked. The man looked at me, smiled, and said, ‘Maybe I should go home.’ I stated, ‘Maybe it won’t be there.’ ‘Good point,’ the man said. ‘What point?’ I replied. This man certainly got the message. If there is no God, ultimately, philosophically, how can one talk about reality? How can one even rationally believe that there is such a thing as truth, let alone decide what it is?

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#2 6 years ago

I believe in God. I believe he created the universe and the creatures in it.

I call people like this man who thinks the Earth is several thousand years old deluded.




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#3 6 years ago

computernerd;5607101For those of you who don't know, Ken Ham is the founder of Answers in Genesis, an organization that basically says that the creation story of the Bible is true. I would have posted this in the other thread, but I found this particular "scientist" rather intriguing.[/quote]Most people know my stance on Religion already, but this Ham guy, he's seriously taking the piss. He has even less to backup his claims than the average Christian/Jew/Muslim/Catholic does, and he's even got a museum dedicated to his cause. What the hell?

On the topic of his museum, there was a film I watched (I say film, it was actually a documentary) following a guy (by the name of Bill Maher). He went to this very museum and spoke to the COO or whoever it was, and asked him a whole bunch of questions (pretty much belittling the museum and the crazy belief). The look on the COO's face was priceless. He couldn't provide any relative answers at all.

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A young man approached me at a seminar and stated, ‘Well, I still believe in the big bang, and that we arrived here by chance random processes. I don’t believe in God.’ I answered him, ‘Well, then obviously your brain, and your thought processes, are also the product of randomness. So you don’t know whether it evolved the right way, or even what right would mean in that context. Young man, you don’t know if you’re making correct statements or even whether you’re asking me the right questions.’ The young man looked at me and blurted out, ‘What was that book you recommended?’ He finally realized that his belief undercut its own foundations —such ‘reasoning’ destroys the very basis for reason. On another occasion, a man came to me after a seminar and said, ‘Actually, I’m an atheist. Because I don’t believe in God, I don’t believe in absolutes, so I recognize that I can’t even be sure of reality.’ I responded, ‘Then how do you know you’re really here making this statement?’ ‘Good point,’ he replied. ‘What point?’ I asked. The man looked at me, smiled, and said, ‘Maybe I should go home.’ I stated, ‘Maybe it won’t be there.’ ‘Good point,’ the man said. ‘What point?’ I replied. This man certainly got the message. If there is no God, ultimately, philosophically, how can one talk about reality? How can one even rationally believe that there is such a thing as truth, let alone decide what it is?

To be honest, those two young men who he spoke too must have been the thickest people in existence (along with himself).

[QUOTE=Anlushac11;5607292]I call people like this man who thinks the Earth is several thousand years old deluded.

I think these clowns are far beyond mere delusion.




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#4 6 years ago

Anlushac11;5607292I believe in God. I believe he created the universe and the creatures in it.

I call people like this man who thinks the Earth is several thousand years old deluded.[/QUOTE]

I recommend you read Christopher Hedges' book, American Fascism, he talks about how Christians are giving Christians a bad name ;)

Here's another unfortunate moron in the same field who somehow got a Ph.D. By Ph.D, I mean Phony Doctorate. This man is a young earth creationist and, I believe, a "colleague" of Mr. Ken Ham. Ladies and Gentlemen, Dr. Kent Hovind:

Top 15 Quotes from Kent Hovind’s Ph.D. Thesis

His education credentials:

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[quote=Wikipedia]Education

In 1971 he graduated from East Peoria Community High School in East Peoria, Illinois. From 1972 to 1974, Hovind attended the non-accredited Midwestern Baptist College and received a Bachelor of Religious Education.[3]

In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a master's degree and doctorate in Christian Education through correspondence from the non-accredited Patriot University in Colorado Springs, Colorado (now Patriot Bible University in Del Norte, Colorado, which no longer offers this program).[7] Having a website called "Dr. Dino" has provoked some academics to look closely at how Hovind presents his education and credentials. Chemistry professor Karen Bartelt has said that it is "very unusual for a person with a Ph.D., even a real one, to list oneself in the phonebook as "Dr Hovind", as Hovind has done."[8] [emphasis in original]. Barbara Forrest, a professor of philosophy, expert on the history of creationism and activist in the creation-evolution controversy, wrote that Hovind's lack of academic training makes it impossible to engage him on a professional level.[9]

Other critics of Hovind have pointed out that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme.[6][10] The school's current policies allow students to attain bachelor's degrees, master's degrees, and even "Doctor of Ministry" degrees in months, rather than years, for as little as $25 per month. Currently Patriot offers a monthly fee, unlike most universities, which only charge per-credit fees.[11]

Bartelt has stated that Hovind's doctoral dissertation is evidence of the poor requirements at Patriot and that Hovind lacks knowledge of basic science.[8] Bartelt noted that Hovind's dissertation is incomplete (it contains four chapters totaling 101 pages, but Hovind's introduction claims the work is 250 pages with 16 chapters), of low academic quality, with poor writing, poor spelling, and poor grammatical style. Bartelt asserts that pages are repeated, references are absent, and it is not an original work with original ideas.[8]

In the past, when questioned about his education and qualifications, Hovind has said his critics use ad hominem arguments,[7] and Patriot has issued similar comments.[12] In 2010, Patriot responded to Wikileaks' claim to have revealed Hovind's dissertation, writing that the Wikileaks file was not the "finished" product, but because they do not "retain ownership to student thesis’ [sic] or dissertations, as is commonly practiced by many schools", they "cannot release student work to the public".[13] Patriot will not send copies of Hovind's doctoral dissertation, which is unusual for an institution to do since dissertations are made available to the public.[8] As a general rule, doctoral dissertations are published by the associated university and made available to the public, so that other students conducting research in similar areas may use the information in the dissertation as a reference.[8] Bartlet wrote that the copy she viewed is on file at the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), but the organization cannot distribute it due to copyright restrictions.[8] The NCSE's copy was received from Skip Evans, who obtained Hovind's dissertation from Patriot with Hovind's permission in March 1999.[8]

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#5 6 years ago

Although I'm agnostic I don't knock people who have faith in whatever. But the true nature of reality isn't something that can be explained with logic.

Thank you Christians who are at least smart enough to realize that the earth is over 6000 years old! These people might as well be Holocaust deniers!

I feel that humankind has an innate need to figure things out. If we can't find the answer then we make one up. And then we cling to those beliefs - false or otherwise. This is why it's nearly impossible for two people to have a logical debate on religion, politics, etc. if they have apposing views.