Neil Degrasse Tyson posted this today... (North Carolina gay marriage ban) 13 replies

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#1 6 years ago

This is a bit of a change from his normal topic:

For those who want some background, it's pretty simple: some North Carolinians are looking to enshrine in the state Constitution the definition of marriage as "one man, one woman", and remove any legal protections of any relationship status short of that legal marriage. This video contains a very good response to this restriction of civil rights.

I really hope that Amendment One fails. I'm a Californian that's still pissed about Proposition 8 from 2008.




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#2 6 years ago

The problem is these guys are Theocrats and not really Democrats, and they also seem to have a big problem with Separation of Church and State.


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#3 6 years ago
computernerd;5638279The problem is these guys are Theocrats and not really Democrats, and they also seem to have a big problem with Separation of Church and State.

Did you watch the video though? It's a pretty good one imo; More voices from religious groups supporting the expansion of rights, rather than restriction of rights, is a positive step in my opinion. You got to remember that religion still plays a major role in many people's lives I'm happy to see some clergy get behind this. I Like how he talks about how the media should stop framing this as a concept of "do you like same-sex marriage" but rather about do you support expanding rights to people and preventing discrimination?

There was an interesting thing he talked about when comparing this to the civil rights act, and warning against the dangers of a majority voting on a minority's rights- putting these essential rights up to popular vote is a risky thing in the first place, and that's exactly what these politicians are doing. Even under the guise of "States' Rights" as they often put it, the same methods were used to restrict rights of African Americans, as he brings up with the case of George Wallace and the rest of his ilk. Indeed it made me think when he said if they put up things like the Civil Rights Act and Fair and Equal Housing Act up to a referendum today, it might very well get rejected by the "majority" in the South. Hell, even that twat Rand Paul said something along these lines because he feels that the laws are irrelevant now and infringing on states' rights- but this is a dangerous route to go down on.

And more importantly, right at the beginning, he says that religion shouldn't be about division and hate, which is precisely what it has been used for politicians trying to get it for points and rile up a crude populism to their end.




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#4 6 years ago

Oh no, I didn't. I saw Crazy's comment and thought the video was about the people who wanted to remove the protection. My mistake =p


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#5 6 years ago
computernerd;5638316Oh no, I didn't. I saw Crazy's comment and thought the video was about the people who wanted to remove the protection. My mistake =p

Well, the video was in response to those people you are referring to. It's a Reverend from North Carolina voicing his opposition to the measure, which is rare considering most of that state's clergy have followed in line with the calls of certain evangelists like Billy Graham to go vote for the referendum that will amend the constitution to reflect this position.

Thing is North Carolina already bans gay marriage on the books, but this is escalating it into a constitutional provision, which is pretty bad imo and like Crazy Wolf says will make it difficult to challenge it legally. We'll see how it turns out when the polls close today (which is also primary day, but that doesn't matter since Romney has essentially won), but opinion polling is indicating it will pass.




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#6 6 years ago

Yeah, it was quite refreshing to see. I think the people in the video better understand what Jesus meant when he said love your neighbor as yourself and do not judge others lest you be judged.


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#7 6 years ago

The polls have closed and it'll be a while until we get complete results. However it would appear that as opinion polling before suggested, the referendum is set to pass. Exit polling indicates some 55% for and 45% against.

The referendum will add to the state constitution a definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman. While North Carolina already bans gay marriage, this will solidify it as a constitutional provision and will also extend to civil unions.




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#8 6 years ago

According to figures from North Carolina's State Board of Elections with some 70 counties out of 100 reporting, the amendment has passed 61% to 39%. As such the proposal's backers are celebrating their victory and hoping it will send a similar message to other states dealing with "activist judges" and "politicians" (IE state legislatures that voted for gay marriage) to demand their own referendum. Supporters celebrated by handing out pieces of wedding cake.

Tami Fitzgerald, the head of the group driving for the passing of the amendment, stated that "We are not anti-gay, we are pro-marriage," she said. "And the point -- the whole point -- is simply that you don't rewrite the nature of God's design for marriage based on the demands of a group of adults." Yeah :/. This also affects civil unions, which the state did not recognize to begin with either.




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#9 6 years ago

That's nice to see a Christian clergyman put his beliefs aside to stand up against a discriminatory amendment such as this one. With any luck such positive religious voices will make a real difference and same-sex couples in North Carolina won't have decades worth of being treated as second-class citizens to look forward to as punishment for not using their freedom of religion the right way. Y'know, this makes me think that maybe I've been judging Christians and their religion a little too harshly and that maybe I should oh wait, it passed, never mind.




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#10 6 years ago

Something like 60-40. Quite disappointing, but what could I have expected, anyway? :cort:




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