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Junk angel

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#1 10 years ago

I'm surprised this hasn't come up as a subject till now. Russia is currently almost not delivering any gas to the EU, claiming disputes with Ukraine.

Anyone else kinda feel that Russia might sooner later use this gas dependency to try and get as much leverage as possible on EU nations?

BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Russia 'to restore gas to Europe'

Right now, most of the affected nations still get some gas from Sweden I believe and have stores that might last for a few weeks, still it's kinda worrying.

Also considering how Russia those it's best to get a government hold over it's oil and gas producers.




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#2 10 years ago

The situation is problematic for both sides. Russia's main export market is the European Union, and the European Union's main outside gas supplier is Russia, although the percentage varies greatly from country to country.

Both sides will likely want a compromise quickly.

Europe gets about a quarter of it's natural gas from Russia. I would like to know how that stands in relation to what percentage of Russian gas flows into Europe.




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#3 10 years ago

Ukraine's been having some governmental problems (between their Orange Politicians specifically) and Russia claims this is a result of Ukraine not paying their exorbitant fees. They did the same with Belarus awhile back too.

However, Russia has done this before. It has an advantage here as the Russian companies like Gazprom have regained control of much of the old Soviet gas-lines and have a considerable supply to them. Aside from the North Sea companies, the Russian ones supply another considerable chunk. Gazprom is closely intertwined with Russian politics (Medvedev, the current Russian president, use to work in there too. There's also another Medvedev, he's different).

Gazprom alone supplies up to a 1/4 of Europe's natural gas. Individually, according to wikipedia:

-Supplies all of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Estonia, Finland, Republic of Macedonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, and Slovakia natural gas needs -97% of Bulgaria -89% of Hungary -86% of Poland -Nearly 75% of the Czech Republic -67% of Turkey's -65% of Austria -40% of Romania -36% of Germany -27% of Italy's -25% of France

The Western most European nations draw less as they also buy from North Sea companies.

Gazprom and other natural gas and petroleum firms is what is keeping Russia up. With out all this, Russia would be nothing. Russia knows their natural resources is the ticket to forcing themselves onto the European stage.

This is also more or less an issue between Russia and Ukraine as well... ever since the Orange Revolution politicians took power Russia has become more and more angry with Ukraine (the poisoning of that one politician was one big thing), and they're jumping on their current economic mess that those politicians are having currently, using this as a wedge to undermine that government and show their weaknesses.




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#4 10 years ago

EU's oil dependency is to Russia as the United States oil dependency is to the Saudi Arabia.

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#5 10 years ago

For once I'm happy to have Russia as a neighbour, nobody can stop resources from getting through unless they go as far as to invade Russia, and I somehow doubt that any leverage that gives over us would be worth the trouble. Not that natural gas is of any major importance, but we are quite dependent on their oil, without regulations the fuel reserves will only last five months in a situation where no oil enters the country.

Are people by the way using only natural gas for heating in some countries, or why is this such a big deal?




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#6 10 years ago
Huffardo;4759857 Are people by the way using only natural gas for heating in some countries, or why is this such a big deal?

Natural Gas can be used for heating, air conditioning, and powering certain kitchen appliances. It also has some industrial applications. And considering it's the Winter, some people really need the heat.

Russia will probably find an agreement to keep the pipelines going through with out actually having to give any to the Ukrainian customers. This is more or less a shitstorm between them and Ukraine which is something that has been going on for awhile anyways.

The main problem is in the rare case that this becomes shit and they cut off this certain pipeline, prices will probably go up.

This is a map of Gazprom's soviet pipe-lines, by the way.

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Or the BBC's convenient chart, which includes all the major pipelines of Europe.

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Or wikipedia's take

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It either goes through Belarus or the Ukraine for the rest of Europe. If Ukraine somehow doesn't go through, it can go through Belarus, but the Russians are having issues with that government too. Plus, as you can see in the map, the pipelines going through Ukraine bear most of the European load. Cat's BBC article cites that 80% of Europe's gas supply from Gazprom goes through Ukraine.

Fact of the matter currently some countries are reporting that their gas supplies have been significantly reduced, and many are left with out natural gas if they are being served from the one that passes through the Ukraine. Again, alongside the 2006 situation with Belarus, this occurred again with the Ukraine with similar results.




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#7 10 years ago

polish ppl are affected as they cut us off and it reduced amount of the gas that comes to our country drasticly and our prices will go extremely high :/




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#8 10 years ago

Well, according to BBC, they got monitors and gas is flowing to these nations again, though the governments are saying it's not at the level it was previously.




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#9 10 years ago

Come on... it's clear there is absolutely no problem with any pipelines... Russia simply feels it is losing its power over the states around itself and feels threatened by the nato, as most imposantly shown in the defence rocket shield... I mean it is not quite reasonable threatening with nuclear missiles from the side of Russia and it is the same thing with the gas. Putin wants to feel important (while democracy in Russia is honestly still more than questionable) and therefore wants to show how powerful he is.


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#10 10 years ago

Huffardo;4759857

Are people by the way using only natural gas for heating in some countries, or why is this such a big deal?[/quote] There are flats and houses dependent only on that kind of heating...it was -20 in most of the countries that have lost the access to gas. Many companies had to be closed. There were like milions of euros lost. [quote=DarthZipacna;4768463]Come on... it's clear there is absolutely no problem with any pipelines... Russia simply feels it is losing its power over the states around itself and feels threatened by the nato, as most imposantly shown in the defence rocket shield... I mean it is not quite reasonable threatening with nuclear missiles from the side of Russia and it is the same thing with the gas. Putin wants to feel important (while democracy in Russia is honestly still more than questionable) and therefore wants to show how powerful he is.

Democracy is questionable everywhere.