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#1 11 years ago

Heres a religious question for you.

Say there is a god. If you are bad you go to hell. If you are good you go to heaven.

Say there is no god. Everything is just chemical reactions, physics, if you’re bad you make the chemical reactions a bit different. If you’re good the chemical reactions are slightly different again.

So if there is no god and everything is just physics then why don’t we all just all just go bury ourselves in a hole? Why do atheists have morality?




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#2 11 years ago

Because it is beneficial. Do you think criminals have more or less enjoyable lives then others? Probably less, I would say. And since this life is the only one an atheist believes they have, it is logical they would want to make it the best they can.




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#3 11 years ago
Afterburner;3646121Because it is beneficial. Do you think criminals have more or less enjoyable lives then others? Probably less, I would say. And since this life is the only one an atheist believes they have, it is logical they would want to make it the best they can.

So the only reason atheists are honest and kind is so it benefits themselves?




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#4 11 years ago
snabbler;3646145So the only reason atheists are honest and kind is so it benefits themselves?

That is why all people do everything they do, atleast to some degree. If you can name me something someone has done that had absolutely no physical or mental benefits for them then I'll be impressed.




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#5 11 years ago

Athiests have morality because some things are "just good" and others are "just bad", i don't think christianity is the first religion or society to frown upon killing, theft, and to encourage sharing, and other "good things".

It's just part of being human.




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#6 11 years ago

To some degree, having high ethical & moral values is "selfish" as it makes you feel better and superior to others but the rest of it is due to thinking that it's right thing to do in general and for other people. Giving to charity is unselfish act, a right thing to do but it doesn't just benefit the one who receives that help but it also benefits you as in giving to charity, you buy "moral capital": as you have given some money to charity, you "don't have" to give it for some time for other charities and feel that you have made a contribution for others, thus being superior to some other people in some level.

Ethical & moral values develop for each people through what parents, school, friends, relatives etc. teach you, what you read & how you understand it and in what conditions you live in. It doesn't take a god or religion in general for people to have morals, not at all. I'm giving quite a lot of money into charity, at very least try to respect other people & their opinions, handle good manners and think issues from various perspectives but I'm zero religious.




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#7 11 years ago

snabbler;3646095Say there is no god. Everything is just chemical reactions, physics, if you’re bad you make the chemical reactions a bit different. If you’re good the chemical reactions are slightly different again.

So if there is no god and everything is just physics then why don’t we all just all just go bury ourselves in a hole? Why do atheists have morality?

Afterburner answered this perfectly: because it's plain easier, and a more beneficial way to live. I'll add some to that: you mustn't automatically connect "purely physical and chemical reactions" with "cold, unfeeling". Although it is only physics that defines what we feel and what we do and why, that doesn't mean we don't feel. Being an asshole isn't fun or pleasant for anyone, religious or not. As for it only benefiting ourselves, Afterburner answered this nicely too. I will claim that everything anyone does, they do because it directly or indirectly induces fun, or prevents unfun (pain, sadness).

You buy a friend a gift because giving provides you with satisfaction.

You do your boring homework so you can get a better job which leaves you with more money and time for fun.




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#8 11 years ago

Also you can ask people with faith, why they believe in God. The real answer would be, because it's actually beneficial to their mind. Less stress--that's why generalls and priests live the longest :) But yeah, following a moral code is indeed beneficial to a person. Because, all of us have Chamurappi's laws ingrained into us at some basic level. Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a tooth. And even anarchists do not want a purely immoral society. They actually want no real society at all, but this nonexistant society should not be immoral, since it should not hurt people. And must of our moral code comes from feudal times, when it was not usefull to loose people. Normally you could not just kill a person, because he was an asset to his lord, and had an economical value. OF course, unless you were the owner. Also our society developed from middle age cities, which needed some way to define themselves, to give them the same reputation as royalty. And the people of these cities wanted to also attract people the land (as in the law, that when a person under someone's rule managed to touch the city gate, he became free and could happily start to toil for in the city). Our morality is very complex, it's a part of our societies and developed trough time. And hell was not always the punishment for a missstep.




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#9 11 years ago

Well I do believe in God not beco'z I'm roman catholic but beco'z there are still somethings that even science cannot explain. up to know and those so called "scientist" can jabber all their nonsense but deep inside it's just something to boost their egos. the thing that I don't believe that God made are these set of rules and guidelines to walk the straight and narrow path all of it is Dogma nothing more!!! Set up by the clergy and such and it not only exclusive to catholics..Muslims,Buddhist and other religions also have laws and guidelines for their respective followers. Yes I'm beggining to doubt about the existence of Heaven and Hell. since the Vatican abolished the concept of Limbo. and even if we say that there is no God. society itself will still find some way to regulate itself through rules and such. It just so happens that religion sells better than one man shouting at the top of his lungs"All you noobs follow me for a better tommorow"


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#10 11 years ago
snabbler;3646145So the only reason atheists are honest and kind is so it benefits themselves?

I wonder how many people would act according to the morals of their 'god' if they didn't think it was going to get them some sort of reward...