No god=No morality? 52 replies

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Time2KILL

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#11 11 years ago

It is a natural human complex in the brain to have emotions. Believe it or not it helps us survive, give us a "will" to live, helps make good decisions. Fear is the best example of this. Animals and people have developed the emotion fear to save us from death or horrible incedents. Every emotion we have is for survival. If we didnt have emotions we would certainly die, and rather quickly.




Ruley

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#12 11 years ago

well there are alota theorys about how god doesent exist (big bang) there are many that God does exist (gospels, "tomb of jesus")




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#13 11 years ago

Morality can be done out of selfishness. But then if you actually looked at it from a solid foundation of Good it wouldn't be considered Moral at all. For example; If you have no guidelines and are only out to make a buck I would not call that morality at all. If you have a solid moral code; such as the bible. (Which offers only truth, and no selfishness or deceit.) It would be done out of fear for what may happen. For there are consequences not only on this Earth, but supposedly in the after-life as well. "Faith is stronger than fear.."




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#14 11 years ago

So all of these preachings are moral? In which way? They show us our errors?

"Faith is stronger than fear.."

Now here you dug your own grave. For faith in an afterlife, in a god in, the master plan is nothing but fear. A fear well changed, warped but fear nevertheless.

Ever noticed how all faiths (I presume) offer some way out of death? How they play on the most human basic instinct of survival? How they attack the inner fear of being alone after death? Wether it is paradise, reincarnation or something completely else is irrelevant, they still offer a way out of death.

Hmm actually hinduism is somewhat special, since a hindu wishes for an eternal death, to free his soul for all eternity, to get out of the cycle of reincarnations.




jeff & eddie

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#15 11 years ago

Morality is defined by religious texts. Specifically what I am refering too, are the most iinfluencial "moral laws" in recorded history. The 10 commandments. Everyone's behavior is in some way, carved by these. If atheists really didn't believe in a God, we'd see more criminals, more perversions and deviants amock. Although there are still more Godless "Chos" running around, readily influenced by the media, liberal values, at least they use their brain..sometimes.




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#16 11 years ago
jeff & eddie;3647268Morality is defined by religious texts. Specifically what I am refering too, are the most iinfluencial "moral laws" in recorded history. The 10 commandments. Everyone's behavior is in some way, carved by these. If atheists really didn't believe in a God, we'd see more criminals, more perversions and deviants amock. Although there are still more Godless "Chos" running around, readily influenced by the media, liberal values, at least they use their brain..sometimes.

I have to agree with you but sometimes even men of faith or just belivers (of any religion) go against these moral rules with their will so let' s not make of every grass a joint. To me religion was useful to set these rules but now that we have grown beyond them (as in "we all know them") we should pass them as just rules, not religion' s rules...




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#17 11 years ago

Go back further. It's more like--religious texts are defined by morality of the given culture.

Just for reference Why do you think it's not allowed for muslems to eat pork? In the climate that Islam originated from pork was often attacked by various often deadly parasites. They did not know the cause, but they knew it was bad to eat it. THus a religious law in a religious book came trough stating this well known moral as well.




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#18 11 years ago
wraithcat;3647205So all of these preachings are moral? In which way? They show us our errors? Now here you dug your own grave. For faith in an afterlife, in a god in, the master plan is nothing but fear. A fear well changed, warped but fear nevertheless. Ever noticed how all faiths (I presume) offer some way out of death? How they play on the most human basic instinct of survival? How they attack the inner fear of being alone after death? Wether it is paradise, reincarnation or something completely else is irrelevant, they still offer a way out of death. Hmm actually hinduism is somewhat special, since a hindu wishes for an eternal death, to free his soul for all eternity, to get out of the cycle of reincarnations.

There is only one truth. Anything else is just a distraction from the real thing. If you were to convert for a time, lets say just to try something new, then maybe you would have a better understanding. Once you are converted, and simply believe in the word of God, you will be bestowed with a discernment, along with knowledge. Some things just cannot be comprehended in words. I was once an Athiest myself, always doubting what is or could be, it is all a matter of will. Not comprehension, or understanding. Like a child for example; they will believe anything they are told. Simply because their mind is not clouded by the evil of this world. The body and spirit constantly war with one another. That is where doubt comes from,(the flesh itself), but you were also given free will by the spirit of God. The flesh is considered evil while the spirit is considered all that is good and forever. Your body will die off, while your spirit will not. "And then the words were made into the flesh.."




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#19 11 years ago

Here you undermine the definition of belief. You cannot try a belief, you cannot try to convert. You believe something, and that is the truth for you.

It's not possible, to force yourself to believe into something that your entire mind and hearth alike protest against.

Some people have the seeds of faith for in god and other deities. Other people have seeds of faith in their nonexistance.

You might have been an atheist with these seeds that did not get watered, thus it was possible to try out something into which you allready subconsciously believed. But other people can't. Nor do they want to.




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#20 11 years ago
wraithcat;3647293Here you undermine the definition of belief. You cannot try a belief, you cannot try to convert. You believe something, and that is the truth for you. It's not possible, to force yourself to believe into something that your entire mind and hearth alike protest against. Some people have the seeds of faith for in god and other deities. Other people have seeds of faith in their nonexistance. You might have been an atheist with these seeds that did not get watered, thus it was possible to try out something into which you allready subconsciously believed. But other people can't. Nor do they want to.

I will make my words known to you. Because I have called and you have refused, I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded, because you disdained all of my counsel, and would have none of my rebuke, I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes, when your terror comes like a storm, and your destruction comes like a whirlwind, when distress and anguish come upon you. Then they will call upon me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the Lord, They would have none of my counsel And despised my every rebuke. Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way, And be filled to the full with their own fancies. For turning away of the simple will slay them, And the complacency of fools will destroy them; But who ever listens to me will dwell safely, And will be secure, without fear of evil. -Proverbs 1:24 God talks to you everyday. Just listen and see..