No god=No morality? 52 replies

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#31 11 years ago
jeff & eddie;3648764The 10 commandments are the most fundamental aspects of human morality. BILLIONS of people adhere to them. Many governments have been molded by these as well. The united states and its consitution is no different.

You didn't answer the question.

However one can look at their society and come to the conclusion it's still several decades behind the times. Regardless, their law come from translations of the 10 commandments.

So a society is less advanced because it's sinful?




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#32 11 years ago

It would seem that some people of faith have to look decent behaviour up in a book! Ironical that they are the ones preaching what is correct "morale" behaviour, instead of those able to find it within themselves.




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#33 11 years ago
jeff & eddie;3647268Morality is defined by religious texts. Specifically what I am refering too, are the most iinfluencial "moral laws" in recorded history. The 10 commandments. Everyone's behavior is in some way, carved by these. If atheists really didn't believe in a God, we'd see more criminals, more perversions and deviants amock. Although there are still more Godless "Chos" running around, readily influenced by the media, liberal values, at least they use their brain..sometimes.

This is pure bullshit. Your Old Testiment is one of the most violent books in the world. Let me give you an example. There are 5 people on 1 train track and 1 on the other. You have the ability to pull a lever and switch the tracks, killing the 1 person while saving the 5. In a scientific study, both Christians and Atheists answered the exact same; pull the lever to save the 5. Now, to change it slightly. There are 5 people on a train track. You can save the 5 people by pushing 1 person onto the track. Again, Christians and Atheists answered the exact same; they would not push the person on the track. Tell me, where is the proof that the Christians did the right thing and the Atheists did the wrong thing?




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#34 11 years ago

jeff & eddie;3648764The 10 commandments are the most fundamental aspects of human morality. BILLIONS of people adhere to them. Many governments have been molded by these as well. The united states and its consitution is no different.

No where did I say that. However one can look at their society and come to the conclusion it's still several decades behind the times. Regardless, their law come from translations of the 10 commandments.

Again, pure bullshit. If India is so behind in the times, why is it that their college graduation rate is higher than ours?




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#35 11 years ago

Also. If there is no god and everything is just physics then why bother living. Why not just go jump in a vat of acid? It would be easier. And we wouldn't remember or care about anything because were dead. Whats the point. We are all just stuff floating around. How is our life going to have any meaning? The amount of time we will be remembered for is just minuscule in the scheme of things. An even while our puny lives do have impact its just on chemical reactions. No matter how you look at it being an atheist is incredibly depressing.

If you believe in god you have nothing to lose. If god is real then you go to heaven and if hes not you don't give a shit cause your dead. Believe in god even if its ridiculous, you'll be happier.

Unfortunately there is one problem with that. It isn't just god or no god. Ita no god, christion god, muslim god, hindu god........................................ ....................................etc. for a very very long time. So unfortunately statistically there is almost no way you'll chose the right god.

Which is why my conclusion on the subject is: be considerate to people. Use your life to make your self happy and everybody else happy. There is a good chance there is a god but i'm not going to change my life in any significant way by worshiping him or building things and wearing idols and dancing etc. Because first i'll almost certainly anger it by doing something blatantly stupid wrong and ridiculous and second if I were a god I wouldn't care how much people worshiped me. Quite frankly the Christian god seems fairly far up his own ass. And even if he is real he needs to be taught to not be so arrogant. In short be nice. Any god who would expect anything more needs to be taught a lesson. Stand up to him. Stop letting him bully you.




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#36 11 years ago

i think that good and bad can not be defined :)

an example : christianity though it was good to send some armies on a crusade to "rescue" jerusalem from their barbarian conquerers. the muslims in jerusalem probably didn't think the same.

and still, why do gods that preach love and peace are considered good, and the ones for war and blood bad ? that wasn't with the greeks nor the romans.....

are we that much "evolved" ? or are we just trying to deny the fact that the biggest problem of humanity is that we turn our weapons on our own and not comunal foes ? during human history there is only one thing that is the same in every single one comunity : we kill our own species ! gods and stuff are the best excuse we have found for it, then we can say : hey it's not my fault, the god told me to do it, blame him not me.




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#37 11 years ago

Morality may be defined by religions but is it necessarily a religious definition?

Do people who dont believe in god still have a "code of conduct"?, a way of life that basically says this behavior is acceptable and this behavior is not?

That exists in any society, be it New York, Paris, London, or a tribal village in Swahililand South Africa.

There is acceptable and unacceptable behaviors in all societies, applying a religious label to it does not make it any more or less moral.




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#38 11 years ago
The 10 commandments are the most fundamental aspects of human morality. BILLIONS of people adhere to them. Many governments have been molded by these as well. The united states and its consitution is no different.

You act as if the world began with the bible. It did not. These ten commandments existed among the roman,judaic population long before the bible was ever formed or concepted.

These commandments were amalgans of the thought's of the people of the time. Also jeff you seem to believe that you know the world so well. First, europe fascist, then India is socially way behind etc.

Actually I lived in inda for over 9 years. I did not like many aspects of their society, but I loved a number of others. I can apply the same to almost any society. The indians are not backwater, there are different, just as any other culture.

There is no real culture that can act as guideline for others. Try to understand that.




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#39 11 years ago

My 2 cents.

You don't need to be religious to have morals. You can be atheist and have your own morals.

I don't really think people should try to say religions enforce those things since they use that as an excuse to bash them (IE: Islamic Fundamentalism, priests harassing children, etc.), and unfortunately turn something nice and beautiful into something twisted and bad.

All humans, regardless of being religious or not, are still subject to the fact we are still human. I don't think no one (except for a few, but that really comes about as a result of upbringing) approves of the idea of killing little children, murder, and other things.

Religion is just another one of the numerous ways to instill some morals in people. It's not the only way to do so.




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#40 11 years ago

There's plenty of Atheist ethical theories these days, Utilitarianism being one of the big ones. We don't need God to have morality, its sufficient to have morals just so that society can work. If everyone lacked morals, stole and murdered as they pleased, soceity would simply collapse on itself, so its logical to 'be moral'.