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Liquid fire

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#1 10 years ago

Think about it. None of us are independent thinkers. Not a single one of us. Consider all the objects in your home , every single object , nearly , tells you when and how to use it subconsciously. Everything you do, and think is not really independent at all, every word , every action, every object you own.

You have been taught the basics and in the end you do not use any of those basics. The more life goes on the more and more you follow the mainstream events, and on all varying levels. From drinking from a cup , to using a blanket at home properly , to going to work each day.

Everything works a specific way and is used in a specific way. Everything is invented because of similar wants and needs of man. No one is that special and they continue to all be prisoners of their own devices.

Every object in your room tells you how to think, a empty glass, a control remote, an old war grenade, magazines, books and everything else.

You are under constant control by every item around you. Every item around you tells you how to act. We chose the items that we enjoy when they provoke actions and feelings that we want to experience in life. We let all those items control us.

A new car, for example. Controls your life before as you work hard for it, and then after wards it still controls it, I do not have to explain everything , you can see why , just use your brains.

Is it possible that life is better lived finding true, independence and control rather than following the herd like a sheep?

Every object is controlling your life. If you used every object improperly , differently than ever before, would you find enlightenment and would you discover newer, greater things in life than anyother person ? Underlined because it is a weird idea.




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#2 10 years ago

I admire you that you at first angered me with "you have no free choice," but after a few seconds consideration, that is quite true. I cannot think of any truly "free choice" situations where your actions are not motivated by monetary or self-serving ambitions.

For example, my whole day today will be devoted [hopefully not every single hour, lol] to homework that I put off Friday and then Saturday. I normally don't do it like this, but I've been really depressed lately. I have a SUBSTANTIAL amount of work for each class, 3 papers, 10 drawing assignments, 1 lab and 1 web design project...ahhh!!! But I have devoted this day to homework, why? Because I want to pass my classes. I really don't have a choice, it's do or fail.

But is this a good example? I don't know. A more to the point example would be that I had all of Sunday off, and supposing I wasn't afraid of Monday and the coming week's responsibilities, I tried [right there I'm starting to do something for a purpose] to do stuff just for fun or spontaneously, that would in actuality be quite hard to do, without any prior motivation.

Very interesting topic for discussion. Keep it up!




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#3 10 years ago

n88tr;4253473I admire you that you at first angered me with "you have no free choice," but after a few seconds consideration, that is quite true. I cannot think of any truly "free choice" situations where your actions are not motivated by monetary or self-serving ambitions.

For example, my whole day today will be devoted [hopefully not every single hour, lol] to homework that I put off Friday and then Saturday. I normally don't do it like this, but I've been really depressed lately. I have a SUBSTANTIAL amount of work for each class, 3 papers, 10 drawing assignments, 1 lab and 1 web design project...ahhh!!! But I have devoted this day to homework, why? Because I want to pass my classes. I really don't have a choice, it's do or fail.

But is this a good example? I don't know. A more to the point example would be that I had all of Sunday off, and supposing I wasn't afraid of Monday and the coming week's responsibilities, I tried [right there I'm starting to do something for a purpose] to do stuff just for fun or spontaneously, that would in actuality be quite hard to do, without any prior motivation.

Very interesting topic for discussion. Keep it up!

Finally some one gets one of my ideas . :lol:

Invention is dying out for the common man, maybe...I dont know again. Hmm, thanks for your reply , I will look into it. :)

I got neg rep for thinking differently, why? Someone said you need to see a shrink and lay off the drugs and neg reps me, for this thread. Some people are just too aggressive when it comes to differences.




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#4 10 years ago

First off, the ideas you hold are in many ways similar to those of the ancient greek philosophers. And to be honest, they are actually true.

We see symbols and if you have ever heard of Ctulho mythos, you'd hear about a theory of what would happen to us, were we to see something that completely eludes our ideas, our ideals, our symbols.

You often see a complete new thing, but you can form an assessment of it quickly enough. That's probably good for us.

As to not doing anything for no monetary gain. Of course, we are descendants of omnivorous semi predators and our survival instinct is quite strong (even of sometimes overshadowed by group altruism) and thus everything you do, will somehow be governed by how good it is for you. Either long term or short term.

Invention is dying out for the common man, maybe...I dont know again. Hmm, thanks for your reply , I will look into it.

Invention has never been the premise of a common man. Every generations has it's talented people, people that don't just take the world in, but also send something out.

And this is the same, as it was over the entire course of human history.




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#5 10 years ago

Sir, you should seriously consider seeing a doctor. If the items are starting to talk, you know its completely wrong.




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#6 10 years ago

wraithcat;4253554First off, the ideas you hold are in many ways similar to those of the ancient greek philosophers. And to be honest, they are actually true.

We see symbols and if you have ever heard of Ctulho mythos, you'd hear about a theory of what would happen to us, were we to see something that completely eludes our ideas, our ideals, our symbols.

You often see a complete new thing, but you can form an assessment of it quickly enough. That's probably good for us.

As to not doing anything for no monetary gain. Of course, we are descendants of omnivorous semi predators and our survival instinct is quite strong (even of sometimes overshadowed by group altruism) and thus everything you do, will somehow be governed by how good it is for you. Either long term or short term.

Invention has never been the premise of a common man. Every generations has it's talented people, people that don't just take the world in, but also send something out.

And this is the same, as it was over the entire course of human history.

Yes, and also it is one possibility of trying the idea all together to find more effective , less buisness profitable alternatives to inventions. Man inventing and creating instead of man being cheated by business profitable creations.

There are varying forms of agreement and disagreement, the idea is radical but that does not mean it can not be used effectively. The trick is discovering people that can use it effectively .Inventors, and creators. Philosophers and dreamers.

I admit some things do make our lives more convinent but perhaps if changed, altered even more convinent .

What one can do with an idea is make it balanced where as someone that disagrees can make it into something hysterical .

Serio, you do not understand , perhaps because I fail to understand you. I would rather try to understand than to argue. I understand I used the words in a strange way that only some people will be able to accept.




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#7 10 years ago

brian, this has been going on since the begining of man men want to control other men, make them like shepeards and sheep the idea that fewer control more never going to change




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#8 10 years ago
nanobot_swarm;4253767brian, this has been going on since the begining of man men want to control other men, make them like shepeards and sheep the idea that fewer control more never going to change

It does not have to change for you to change.




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#9 10 years ago

If everyone thought more critically, which is actually very mentally-stimulating, the world would be a much better and different place.

Three cheers for Briankory!




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#10 10 years ago

It’s a matter of opinion with regard to being individual thinkers, but yeah, we do borrow to further or create new ideas. Like Briankory suggested, everything is interlinked, nothing new under the sun as it is said. The theory is called the Law of Attraction(s).:assimilate: