No Smoking in the Pub!! 84 replies

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Psychokenesis

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#1 11 years ago

A pub landlord was fined £500 and ordered to pay £2,000 prosecution costs today after he admitted flouting the smoking ban in public places in England. Hamish Howitt, 55, of Blackpool, Lancashire, is the first publican in the country to be convicted of breaching the legislation, which came into effect on July 1. Sentencing him, the district judge, Peter Ward, told Howitt that his campaign was "silly, misguided and pointless". The owner of the Happy Scots Bar left Blackpool magistrates' court vowing that he would continue to allow smokers to light up on his premises.

What do you think...Is the court right to fine or is the law important in this case to see to it that our health isn't risked over those that do enjoy a little cancer stick now and then.

Whose more important....the rights of the smoker or the non smoker?




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#2 11 years ago

The law is the law so the court has every right, the law itself does not make much sense however, smoking should be banned only in government buildings and the like. Pubs have been brown smoke filled establishments since forever.




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#3 11 years ago

I personally don't like my clothes being ruined by clouds of festering smoke and having my lungs blackened just for a night of drinking. Whether it is a government building, a pub, or a titty bar...it doesn't matter. The same rule applies...




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#4 11 years ago

I'd ban smoking outside in non designated area's before i'd ban smoking in pubs and the like, i can choose not to enter establishments where smokers are allowed.. so can you. Not so when you are walking down the street, or at city hall for business, you HAVE to be there.




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#5 11 years ago

If a Landlord want to allow it then they should be allowed to do that. So much is now placed on the non smoker that smokers have no choice neither do the business owners. If he wanted to stick a sign up that says "this is a smoking pub so non smokers sod off" then his pub would be full all the time. The law is a ass. and the freedom to choose has been taken away from the individual. Whats the bet it was some do-gooder that reported him. Never mind fining the Landlord they should fine the whining idiot that reported him.




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#6 11 years ago
Tas;4017494I'd ban smoking outside in non designated area's before i'd ban smoking in pubs and the like, i can choose not to enter establishments where smokers are allowed.. so can you. Not so when you are walking down the street, or at city hall for business, you HAVE to be there.

Though many non-smokers (damn this word invented by the tobacco industry!) would still go to a smoking bar, if one in the group was a smoker.

Furthermore many pubs wouldn't ban smoking, if they could choose, because they fear profit loss and thus, there would be very few non-smoking pubs.




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#7 11 years ago

Good for the Law System. I dislike smokers (not so much them, but the smell and taste you get from cigarettes). I'm glad it has been banned in Pubs. Many people go to Pubs, and I never hung around in them too long because of the smell. Thumbs up on this one.




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#8 11 years ago

WhiteShark;4017511Though many non-smokers (damn this word invented by the tobacco industry!) would still go to a smoking bar, if one in the group was a smoker.

Furthermore many pubs wouldn't ban smoking, if they could choose, because they fear profit loss and thus, there would be very few non-smoking pubs.

True, but that's just the way it is, they choose friends/familiarity over their health.




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#9 11 years ago

I for one am for smoking in pubs, I do like a cold pint of beer, but if I could smoke too, well then that would be grand. I'm already paying $10+ for a pack what with all the taxes the government have levied on tobacco, I should be able to enjoy them in a public place other than the sidewalk. It should be allowed if the owner of the establishment allows it, if they don't then fine, it can be a smoke-free bar, there should be a choice. If people don't want to go to a smoke-filled pub, fine by them, its less business, but people don't go to bars for the fresh air.




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#10 11 years ago

That's a very easy argument but the government is laying down rules to benefit all people and whether you agree with it or not it benefits you aswell. It's discouraging you from not just poisioning yourself but from poisioning others.

The Government has found that when faced with loss a Pub owner would rather allow the smoking...it's about money. So logicaly they've set a standard that dosen't hinder the profits of the Pub in question but puts the hinderance squarely on the person that wishes to continue self toxification and in order to socilize with these areas you'll have to suffer breathing clean air...

I wholeheartedly agree with the fine and the court on this case.