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Mr. Pedantic

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#21 11 years ago

Yes, and its effects on not only smokers, but also non-smokers, has been well-documented. In effect smokers are not just killing themselves, but everyone around them as well, one breath at a time.




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#22 11 years ago

ya i agree, smoking causes so much misery and suffering and is just plain nasty. I personally have never tried it and never would just for the risk of getting hooked. Just as you say, its legal insanity




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#23 11 years ago

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#24 11 years ago

Communism, I say! The Gov't hasn't the right to set laws of practice on private property, and commercial property IS private property. Less Gov't, more business!

People smoke because they choose to, and non-smokers are affected because they -CHOOSE- to be around smokers. Bans in Gov't property makes perfect sense, but telling business owners how to set their own rules is shameful, at best. It isn't murder, sodomy or rape, it's simply smoking.

Nicotine remains to be the last legalized herbal drug, and people have the right to sacrifice their own health for the relaxation and narcotic effect that they enjoy. If someone's stupid enough to smoke 10 packs a day, it's because he has no self-control, and it's simply one of life's greater challenges.

I've always been pro-business, but this doesn't even fall in a political category. This is just downright stupid.




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#25 11 years ago

That is certainly a differing opinion Adamus. But the government has the authority and thus the right to dictate law on national health concerns. If they don't then who does?




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#26 11 years ago

Cancer is a national health concern. Salmonella, HIV, Down Syndrome... these are national health concerns. Smoking, is a choice.




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#27 11 years ago
Smoking, is a choice

I would not count a genetic disorder as a national health concern, which implies that to some degree you have control over the illness/disease/disorder in question. And there is strong epidemiological evidence linking smoking to cancer, therefore if cancer is a national health concern, then smoking is a national health concern.




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#28 11 years ago

People can still choose to smoke both outside and in their homes, they just have to restrain themselves in public places so that they can remain clean and safe for everyone (the public). This ban will probably also help alot of those who are trying to quit, and those who just have one whilst drinking.




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#29 11 years ago

According to the APHA, everything causes cancer. There's a risk of death every time you step outside your door. Yet you take that step. And despite the media's publication of cancer being associated with smoking, the statistical data can only represet the factor of risk.

According to About.com, men who smoke are only 23% more likely to develop cancer. Women, 13%. If you want to assess the odds, I'd say that's a damn low risk.

Source: Cancer Statistics Smoking and Cancer Statistics

I'm tired of the media bloviating about tobacco. People are always going to smoke it, even if it becomes illegal down the road. People have the right to manage their own health, and those who choose not to smoke, have the right to not go into public bars that permit smoking. Smoking is simply a part of the alcoholic culture.

Like I said, there are public health concerns relating to Gov't owned facilities and properties, but the connection between national 'health' concerns and smoking is fake. Mortality rates and statistics don't even see a hiccup in the graphs with the factor at hand.

It doesn't make sense to tell people what they can or can not do on their own property, especially when the health risks involved are completely avoidable by simply not going there in the first place.




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#30 11 years ago
And despite the media's publication of cancer being associated with smoking, the statistical data can only represet the factor of risk.

it's not just the media, and yes, I do concede that it is a matter of risk. However, the fact of the matter is, if you smoke, your chances of getting some form of respiratory cancer are suspiciously high.

Health effects of tobacco smoking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And people smoking, even in a democratic society, affects everyone. If the smokers need public healthcare and they can't afford it because they've spent all their money on nicotine or other drugs, then inevitably they die or the taxpayer forks out money. And I think we both know which one the government is likely to choose. Free tax money all round, smokers.