'No taxation without representation' 22 replies

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Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#1 13 years ago

I cant vote. Along with many other people in my country who are my age or below we have yet to be granted the right to help decide upon the direction our leadership will develop in. Yet -- we still pay the taxes.

We're considered old enough to fund the direction our country goes in, to pay for whatever wars and projects the powers that be decide upon; but not old enough to decide upon what that should be. We're old enough to join the army, to fight and die in defence of the actions taken by those incharge, yet we're not considered mature enough to decide what it is we're fighting and dying for.

This is a situation I think stinks, I might view the right to vote for the government as a paper-right but if I'm going to pay for it, or fight for it, then I want to decide upon what 'it' is, even if that decision isn't worth much in the end.

There are two acceptable solutions to this as I see it, the first solution would be to stop taxing people under the age of 18, the second would be to lower the voting age. I favour lowering the voting age. But what do you think?




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#2 13 years ago

I would remove the taxes, because people need more experience in life before voting.




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#3 13 years ago

I would remove the taxes, because people need more experience in life before voting.




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#4 13 years ago

18 is the voting age where i am and 18 is when males can be drafted




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#5 13 years ago

But without the taxes you loose money and money is always needed. Just let it as it is, why do people always have to change things. It worked for a long while so whats the problem


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#6 13 years ago

Well, I don't know much about what you're talking about since I know nothing about England, but I don't think the voting age should be lowered. If England's at all like the US, people under the age of 18 don't know the first thing about politics (from my experience). Could you maybe explain about how things work in England as compared to the US?




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#7 13 years ago

How old are you Nem? Before I was 18 I couldn't vote but my paycheck got taxed. I don't really have a big problem with that.

The real issue is that now I can vote and buy porno and get drafted (technically) but I cant buy a beer. That is shit.




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#8 13 years ago

You pay taxes because you use public services, like roads and stuff...




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#9 13 years ago
Tap112How old are you Nem? Before I was 18 I couldn't vote but my paycheck got taxed. I don't really have a big problem with that. The real issue is that now I can vote and buy porno and get drafted (technically) but I cant buy a beer. That is shit.

Why cant you buy beer?


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#10 13 years ago

'LIGHTNING [NL']You pay taxes because you use public services, like roads and stuff...[/QUOTE] Taxesonroads.gif [SIZE="1"](BBC News website) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4250832.stm[/SIZE]

I think that's more than covered by other things.

Which is sort of besides the point, maybe I do use roads, and these 'other services.' Maybe I live under the protection of the army of this country, does that deny me the right to say where it should be used? If that is so then it denies not just me that right but you the right to say where your country's army should be used, infact it denies all the people in the world the right to say where their armies are used. It may go into roads and hospitals, but part of it also goes into other things, and by that part of it we have a right to a say in how those things are used; what is done with them, who leads us, those are things we should be entitled to the minute we are asked to start paying for them.

deathmonkey725Could you maybe explain about how things work in England as compared to the US?
I don't know how it works in the US. Basically when you hit 16 you start paying taxes on your earnings, savings, etc. Technically you pay tax before that in the form of VAT but 16 is when that sort of stuff really comes in. [QUOTE=Tap112]How old are you Nem? Before I was 18 I couldn't vote but my paycheck got taxed. I don't really have a big problem with that.

16 *shrug* why?