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Snozzlefeet VIP Member

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#1 11 years ago

Dear Gamingforums, I am soon to be a graduate of a great institution called Pleasant Valley High School. Recently, one of the most respected and favorite teachers at this institution was accused of some very serious things. Apparently, the teacher in question showed students images of dismembered, naked and murdered female bodies during a class session. One of the student's parents have proceeded to file a lawsuit against the school district.In the suit, the teacher is not even named as a defendant.

The location of the newspaper article is at the following address: Pocono Record - Plaintiffs: School district at fault for teacher's classroom conduct

The location of the lawsuit text is at the following address: http://www.poconorecord.com/static/pdfs/05011pvsuit1.pdf

People complain about the lack of funding for our public school systems, yet do nothing to raise money for it. Instead they sue the schools for the money that you and I have paid in taxes. You tell me what is wrong with this picture. Discuss.




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#2 11 years ago

I find it rather sad how censorship ruins these things. If you hide what is happening from the world, it'll grow up ignorant.

When I was studying my senior Modern History class, I saw images of dismembered, naked, and almost physically un-recognisable children. We were warned, and told what we were going to see, and had the choice to leave.

Might I ask, how old are the students?




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#3 11 years ago

"and had the choice to leave" I would say that would be the main thing. but they don't do that for Al Gores propaganda movie.




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#4 11 years ago

We often have had, what you could call drug awareness sessions, where the police actually came to school

they talked about what the police does, what it has to do to enforce drug restrictions And mainly about drugs Among this were photos of drug addicts gone too far That was ugly But, hey no one complained It's a part of our world we can't just wish away




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#5 11 years ago

Exactly. I find it ridiculous that parents try and shelter their kids from the world. Sure, I understand there is a limit to what certain people and ages should see, but in a school class, this teacher was teaching. If he told the students what they were going to see, they have the choice to leave. Even while viewing the images. They had the choice to leave.




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#6 11 years ago

From the website:

"Dalmas said her younger daughter told her the photos Smith showed the class crime scene photos of the murder victims of Charles Manson's followers. She said her daughter mentioned nothing about any sexually explicit conversation.

Several students said that when Smith showed upsetting images in class — for lessons on the Holocaust, the Great Depression or Manson — he warned them beforehand.

"They knew what was coming in advance," said Samantha Struble, 16, as she sat at Burger King. "They could have looked away. That's the student's fault. He would never do anything to disrespect a student."

If the images depicting the carnage of Manson's followers were upsetting, that was the point. "He wanted the students to get a feel for how messed up this guy was," said Alejandro Gonzalez, 18, a senior."

So I don't see the issue. If they where warned in advanced and could have looked the other way (letting them leave class is an other optioon but some students might abuse freedom).

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"It reportedly occurred within the context of Smith's lesson on Bill Clinton's presidency. Smith apparently noted that the former president had admitted to smoking marijuana as a young man, but not inhaling, and to having oral sex, but that it did not constitute sex. After this, he joked to the students that if the president could do these things, they could, too.

"Everyone who knows Mr. Smith knows not to take (what he says) literally," Gogal said.

"Students have worse things coming out of their mouths," said junior Laura Ross, 17.

Some portrayed the accusers as being too thin-skinned to take a joke."

"Things happen. You've just got to get over it," said Joe Patton, 17. If these jokes and images upset the family this much, he added, "they're not going to last long in this world."

I have to concur. A teacher should be allowed to make jokes and try to "shock" children to a certain extend. If students think he has gone a little too far they can talk with the teacher not and talk things out? If he then refuses to understand them and keeps on throwing lines at people who made very clear they are offended by it yes, they would have a point but this? :cort:

wraithcat;3673799We often have had, what you could call drug awareness sessions, where the police actually came to school

they talked about what the police does, what it has to do to enforce drug restrictions And mainly about drugs Among this were photos of drug addicts gone too far That was ugly But, hey no one complained It's a part of our world we can't just wish away

Same here, seen scary enough photo's of such things. Same for shocking holocaust photo's etc. It's a big though world out there and your avarage highschool student should be able to cope with was shown (it's not like you are shown a hardcore porn move followed by a decapitation video made by insurgants...). If the students are warned in advance there is certainly to reason to freak out over it.

Some people might still be shocked since "they didn't expected it to be that worse" but that is why they got warned, and atleast next time they might wish to avoid it.




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#7 11 years ago

yeah, most teachers try to get into a few shocking jokes. It a at least brings some light into those gloomy class days :( (like our bio teacher (male) and his feminist jokes :))

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But I find, what that teacher did, absolutely okay. He wasn't showing them, how they murdered someone, he showed them the results of a number of people gone wacko, he showed the m what happened, warned them beforehand and did his best to bring what they saw into context.

If the school looses that case, then I've completely lost my faith in the schoolsystem.




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#8 11 years ago

Thanks for the Info Donutz, helps to have some concrete evidence on what happened, even though I'm slightly too lazy to look for it! :p

In the end, I think it is just this mothers (or group of parents, whatever) picking a fight they find themselves morally wrong. It is their opinion it is wrong, and not anyone elses.

However, I can see the school losing the case, in the end it is the the public opinion of what gets shown in schools.. and people have themselves stupid enough to conform all too often before.




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#9 11 years ago
However, I can see the school losing the case, in the end it is the the public opinion of what gets shown in schools.. and people have themselves stupid enough to conform all too often before.

Not really, it isn't that much for the pubic to decide It's the states decission




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#10 11 years ago

The state is the public, or atleast, it is supposed to be. The teacher's union has a million dollars stored away to defend against lawsuits like this one, so I doubt the parents will win, though i see a bit of their point, they don't want their kids to see dismembered bodies, which is reasonable, though if they were allowed to leave before hand and were warned, I don't think it'd be reasonable to sue over it. Now verbal abuse, smacking kids upside the head, bending the curriculum for personal interest, that's something I'd consider suing over, and am considering, but not towards this teacher.