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#1 6 years ago

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I won't name names, because I don't remember, but a lot of people seem to have this misconception here. I myself had it not too long ago. Just thought I'd help clear it up for future threads on such matters, because we all see to love beating the related topics to death.

EDIT: and no one point out the flaws/caveats, please. It's meant to say that there are 4 basic things.

1) ga = I know god is a creation of man, and does not exist. 2) aa = There is no evidence of a god, therefore I do not believe in a god. 3) at = I believe there is a god, but who knows what he's like. 4) gt = I believe god is definitely like the one in this book.

Forgive my ranting. I just got out of a rather annoying debate on the matter. Kind of wanted to get it off my chest.

Edit again: Let's make it fun. Where would you place yourself on the spectrum? And no attacking people for being in different places, *please*. I would identify as far right, a bit below the line.




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#2 6 years ago

Probably just too dumb (being a theist, after all) but I can't make heads or tails of how to read that chart.




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#3 6 years ago

I'm gonna have to agree with Totes, mostly about the acronyms, what exactly do they stand for? Although based on the definitions I think I can guess.


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#4 6 years ago

My acronyms are just the first letter of each combination. aa = agnostic atheist, and so forth.

The chart...Well imagine it as two separate graphs. Place yourself on one, whether you lean theist or atheist, and then on the other. Gnostic basically means, in this case, knowledge, ie "I know there is a god". Agnostic means without knowledge, ie "Probably a god, but who knows what he's like."




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#5 6 years ago

My acronyms are just the first letter of each combination. aa = agnostic atheist, and so forth.

The chart...Well imagine it as two separate graphs. Place yourself on one, whether you lean theist or atheist, and then on the other. Gnostic basically means, in this case, knowledge, ie "I know there is a god". Agnostic means without knowledge, ie "Probably a god, but who knows what he's like."




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#6 6 years ago

Ahh, I get it. I'd say I'm "at."


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#7 6 years ago

Cool beans. Glad I could explain it well, sometimes I don't do so hot.




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#8 6 years ago

I'm not surprised that people go with the first picture as I don't think anyone can really "know" whether there is a God or not.




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#9 6 years ago

I am, because agnostic is not, by any definition, halfway, or anyway, between atheist and theist. It's a different concept entirely.

Clearly, no one can *know*, just as you cannot *know* that there are not in fact 7 fingers on your hand. However, to them, the chance is so exceedingly small, it is dismissable, just as you dismiss the chance of your hand having 7 fingers.

To use another example, people once *knew* the Earth was flat.




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#10 6 years ago

If the distinction between gnostic and agnostic isn't important then the one-dimensional definition makes enough sense.

In my opinion making a distinction between people who say they don't know what they can't know and those who say they do know what they can't know is only helpful in showing that some people confuse their opinions with facts (such as the people who thought that the Earth is flat).

As you always deal with opinions when it comes to the existence of God you might as well look at a scale where people have one opinion or another or are undecided.

Anyway, if you really want an accurate way to describe people's attitudes towards religion it might make even more sense to look not at what people think they came up with themselves but at their education, stance of family or culture towards religion and maybe their susceptibility to superstition or mysticism. The position on any charts such as from the OP are a result of factors like these more than anything else.