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#1 11 years ago

I felt like writing this rant after watching this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTrhVY-Wwgs&mode=related&search=

Good video btw, I suggest you all watch it.

Point is most people tend to think that everybody in Iraq who is against the US is a terrorist. I agree that there are crazy fanatics out there who try to destabilize the country, but not everybody there is like that. Just as you distinguish between the marines going on a rampage and killing civilians, you must distinguish between your enemies as well.

For example, people blowing oil pipes will probably be labeled terrotists, but are they really? Iraq is basically sitting on oil, yet there is driving restriction. There is the restriction of buying oil. So as a citizen of Iraq, why let your oil be used by foreigners, why sell it away? Why sell your resources with no benifits to the people, but to a government, which represents the US more than its people? So thats why people blow it up. If I couldn't benefit from something that was clearly mine, and other foreigners would, I rather destroy it.

People resist the US occupation for all sorts of reason. The government there can't really protect the people, so they seek help from militias to do the job. This is common when there is so much destruction and destabilization. People see the US as the source of all this destabilization, so they resist it. Nothing wrong to resist foreign influence. I would do the same if put in the same situation, and I'm sure so would you.

The problem is that the US isn't viewed as a liberator and the government they set up is no different than the government the SU set up in Afghanistan. You might call that government as democratic as you wish, it doesn't matter if it can't provide stability. Thats why people fight, and they will continue to do so unless you provide them with a reason not to. So far there is none. Iraqi's are basically becoming slaves in their own backyard.




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#2 11 years ago

It's easier for the US government to call the terrorists because their whole 9/11-propaganda wouldn't work otherwise.

I think it is difficult to say when insurgency ends and terrorism stops. Most insurgents are probably controlled by a few terrorists by now, but even that is simplistic because of the different factions within Iraq fighting each other.

It's quite a mess.




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#3 11 years ago

Anyone who kills civillians is a terrorist. And considering the U.S. has only had around 3000 casualties while the Iraqis have had 50,000(and the U.S. caused a minimal number of these casualties) or more there is rather obviously a large number of people killing civllians. Most people who are acting violently in Iraq are doing so because THEY want power. These people aren't freedom fighters, they are worthless cowards.

That being said there are plenty of people, easily the majority, who just want to get on with their lives and, while feeling no love for America(and hate in many cases), also would rather have a democracy then have Saddam back. They just want to live their lives like any American or Canadian or German or British person would.




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#4 11 years ago
Afterburner;3532802Anyone who kills civillians is a terrorist.

So every single American soldier who has killed an Iraqi civilian is a terrorist? In that case would that not make the U.S. the worlds largest terrorist organisation. Well as a matter of fact it does. Look at the word "Terrorism". Terrorism is to invoke terror or fear into innocents. The propaganda the U.S. government has been using to fuel the Iraq war, in turn fuels, the fear of the population causing a state of perpetual terror. Now i do not condone terror tactics or any form of warfare, especially when a country crashes 2 of it's own planes into 2 of it's own buildings to trigger a global hatred of a minority race and religion. The evidence that the U.S. is behind 9/11 is out there and it is very strong. George Bush Snr had a little tiff with Saddam but he got voted out, Clinton had a cup of tea with Saddam and things were good, George Bush jnr got voted in and suddenly these things all happen. Hang on, wasn't it some obscure old man named Osama that was behind it all, so says G.W., but he had to continue daddys work and go after Saddam. What happened to Osama? FBI reports could find no link between Osama and Saddam after years of investigation but sadly the man who lead that investigation was at work on 9/11. Guess where he worked. Look for the evidence on google, but there was an interesting doco about the wole thing including the Pentigon "plane crash" where the hole couldn't even fit a b-double truck let alone a 737. The firefighters who heard a series of "Explosions, like they were demolishing a building. Bang bang bang." and the clincher was one of the governments own people talking about building 7 (i think) and saying "it was unstable so we had to pull it" Pull it is a term used by demo teams. Demo teams take weeks of prepartion to demo a building and that was done in a matter of hours. So no not everyone in Iraq is a terrorist, just the American soldiers.




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#5 11 years ago

No one saied they where!




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#6 11 years ago

Afterburner;3532802Anyone who kills civillians is a terrorist. And considering the U.S. has only had around 3000 casualties while the Iraqis have had 50,000(and the U.S. caused a minimal number of these casualties) or more there is rather obviously a large number of people killing civllians. Most people who are acting violently in Iraq are doing so because THEY want power. These people aren't freedom fighters, they are worthless cowards.

That being said there are plenty of people, easily the majority, who just want to get on with their lives and, while feeling no love for America(and hate in many cases), also would rather have a democracy then have Saddam back. They just want to live their lives like any American or Canadian or German or British person would.

Well, look at the statistics. A strong majority of the Iraqi people do not want US imported democracy, (go here for the info). It’s interesting that the United States calls their interest in Iraq “liberation”, or “for the “liberation of the Iraqi people”. How many of them actually want to be “liberated”, and how many innocent civilians have been “liberated” from their lives in the process. Was it worth it? Who do you think really suffers in a war?




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#7 11 years ago

Hehe, i remember that. Smooth propaganda effort, too bad the Iraqi resistance army IS a terror group. Or rather it was until it got splintered up and absorbed into Al Qaeda in Iraq.




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#8 11 years ago

You can't call something that is true propaganda. It goes against the logic of propaganda. Or else everything your doing is propaganda.




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#9 11 years ago

Propaganda is nothing more than using any available media to promote your cause or lessen that of your enemy. Truth has little to do with it. If i showed pictures of American internment camps while also showing images gallant wermact forces fighting victoriously in battle, everything i presented would be technically true if i wish to get across the point that the americans were bastards and the Nazis winning the war. Its all context.

This joker however, post a video about how his fight isnt against the American people but for the greater good of all Iraq (except most of the people they seem to kill tend to be average Iraqis trying to make a living no?) He postulates that the iraqi insurgency is this great united undertaking (again, not focusing that is a 5 way cluster--- between those seeking domination over the others). The only unassaultable truth in the whole video is that they will fight without end. That much is for certain. They are in a situation that DEMANDS they fight eternally if they are to gain dominance. Everytime you see a 5 year olds body, whose school has just been blown up, picture this video whenever you read about another market being bombed or mortared, think of this. Everytime the news has reports of families dragged into the street and shot by these revolutionary 'freedom fighters' you look me in the eye and tell me they are killing for the 'betterment of Iraq'




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#10 11 years ago

Just to put a little on this:

I'd like to see about the fighters from Iraq who are, apparently, trying to free Iraq. Yeah, I can see that killing innocents is the right thing to do. [/sarcasm]




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