46 and 2, are just ahead of me
23rd September 2004
Yet again, another conspiracy to bring guns to school and kill students and faculty, all the way from...Fairbanks, Alaska. :cort:
MSNBCFAIRBANKS, Alaska - Six middle school students in a small Alaska town were arrested Saturday on suspicion of plotting to bring guns and knives to school to kill their classmates and faculty.The students had planned to disable North Pole Middle School’s power and telephone systems, allotting time to kill their victims and escape from North Pole, a town of 1,600 people about 14 miles southeast of Fairbanks, Police Chief Paul Lindhag said. The seventh-graders wanted to seek revenge for being picked on by other students, Lindhag said. They also disliked staff and students, he said.
A parent alerted police of rumors of an attack, Lindhag said. He would not elaborate on the case, or what kind of documented evidence led to the arrests. “These are the ones who had major roles in this,” Lindhag said. “All our information came through our interviews.” The students could face charges of first-degree conspiracy to commit murder, authorities said. The alleged plot was the second broken up by police this week. Five Kansas teenagers suspected of planning a shooting rampage at their high school were arrested on Thursday, the seventh anniversary of the Columbine massacre. School officials in Riverton, Kan., learned that a threatening message had been posted on the Internet, authorities said. The boys ages 16 to 18 will stay in custody through the weekend while prosecutors decide whether to file charges, a judge ruled Saturday. The North Pole boys, whose names were not released, were among 15 students at the school who were suspended after a parent tipped police Monday evening. A child told the parent that rumors were circulating about the alleged plot, which had been postponed from Monday until Tuesday, Lindhag said. ‘Lot of rumors flying around’ The suspended students were identified by officers working with a school safety official. Parents were advised to keep their children away from 500-student campus Tuesday. Lindhag said authorities don’t believe all the suspended students were involved, but that officials were erring on the side of caution. “There were a lot of rumors flying around,” he said. The six arrested were taken to the Fairbanks Youth Facility. Locals are “shocked, saddened and heartbroken about whole situation,” but area schools have policies to deal with such a crisis, said Wayne Gerke, an assistant superintendent with the Fairbanks North Star Borough School District. “And we feel very thankful that a student felt they could talk to an adult, and very thankful that the adult had the wisdom to contact the North Pole Police Department,” Gerke said. The other students remain suspended while the investigation continues, and police will have a presence at the school for the rest of the year, officials said. “People are people,” Lindhag said. “Something like this can happen anywhere, in a city big or small.”
Is this really so much as a problem as it has seemed recently? I know that when I was in middle school, I wasn't too fond of seventh grade, but I would never go this far, nor would I be able to potentially go this far. One thing that strikes me is where it is happening. Its not an urban middle school, its a school of 500 in rural Alaska. Regardless, its interesting to see what will happen to these "delinquents." I say give them the charges, not some cheesy "youth rehabilitation" sentence.
The cake is a lie.There is no cake.
13th November 2004
On the other hand, I wonder if this case of bullying is actually going to be looked into? Me thinks it's very likely that, as they've said, it is the cause and so be fixing this, you'd be fixing the problem. Still, since Columbine (from what I know), there seem to be more reported cases of this. Whilst seperate incidents do occur, it's usually child-like innocence not realising what they were really doing, sometimes fatefully ending in fatalities.
Like I said in another thread, being bullied is NO excuse for murdering unarmed kids! They planned on killing teachers also, and I HIGHLY doubt they were bullying their students. Kids this age DO know murder is wrong...they just don't care! It's not a case of innocense of youth, it's a case of kids who can't control their temper, and have no respect for other's life because they don't even respect themselves. BTW, this IS more widespread now, because most of them are given a slap on the wrist for planning such a thing. They should get a less punishment just because they didn't get the chance to complete their murder conspiracy? They should give all these kids caught planning this all over the world at LEAST 10 years. I have no pitty for those who try to solve their problem by murdering unarmed people...most of whom have done nothing to them.:mad:
just to go on the counterpoint, what if the student that came forward with the information is lying, no evidence other that the whitness acount was detailed in the report.
The cake is a lie.There is no cake.
13th November 2004
Then there must be some reason for that student to do so. If he was lying, why? To what purpose? If he's not lying, there has to be some basis for what he's said. Maybe he's one of their few friends?
Chemix2just to go on the counterpoint, what if the student that came forward with the information is lying, no evidence other that the whitness acount was detailed in the report.
If they turn up no evidence that such an attack was really planned, then the kid who falsely gave the report should be punished. You don't lie about something like this because ya wanna get back at someone, or for any other reason. This stuff is too serious for false accusations to be flying around. BTW Chemix2, good point...I guess we'll know if they do or do not have evidence other than one person's report as this unfolds.:nodding:
Only in America.
JeffroOnly in America. :)
Not really bro', there are isolated incidents of this happening in other countries, but yes, it IS more widespread here in the US :nodding:
dammit its because parents these days teach there childern that everyone has to be nice to you . bullcrap! no one is going to be nice to you just because your dad/mom said so. so i think i parents should start cracking down on kids
LoyalReaperDragondammit its because parents these days teach there childern that everyone has to be nice to you . bullcrap! no one is going to be nice to you just because your dad/mom said so. so i think i parents should start cracking down on kids
That is indeed the real problem, you're never gonna stop bullying, it's been around since before I was a kid. The parents need to teach their kids how to control their tempers...and use their head for something besides a freakin' hat rack.:nodding: