NYC bans trans fats, now it's capital is on the way? 28 replies

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MrFancypants Forum Admin

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#21 11 years ago
Afterburner;3687192 And that is their own problem, deal with it. This is the government going ever deeper into the individual rights of people. If this is banned then smoking, drinking alcohol, and doing stupid shit like BMX or skateboarding should also be banned. After all you could potentially hurt yourself with all of them. Maybe you enjoy the idea of having your Big Brother hold your hand all the time, not me. This is a personal choice between yourself and you, and no one else has a right to force it on you.

I think heart disease is killing slightly more people than skateboarding-accidents. If you accept things like the patriot act because of a few thousand people being killed you probably shouldn't worry about legislation that tries to deal with a problem that kills millions each year. Besides, a ban is usually not necessary, heavy taxes will do the trick as well and it is rather fair; you still have the choice of poisoning yourself but you'll have to pay more for it to compensate the damage you are doing to society.




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#22 11 years ago

Afterburner;3687192Dude, you just don't get it. This isn't about the stupid trans fat. Personally I find the shit disgusting and I try to avoid it.. But the point is it is the government reaching into peoples lives and telling them what they can't do to themselves. How about the government abolish everything that can possibly hurt someone and baby people their entire lives. If people want to kill themselves that is their problem, but the government has no right to interfere.

And that is their own problem, deal with it. This is the government going ever deeper into the individual rights of people. If this is banned then smoking, drinking alcohol, and doing stupid shit like BMX or skateboarding should also be banned. After all you could potentially hurt yourself with all of them. Maybe you enjoy the idea of having your Big Brother hold your hand all the time, not me. This is a personal choice between yourself and you, and no one else has a right to force it on you.

So you are saying that you don't care if people who are too stupid to understand what they are doing to themselves die a painful death?

Following that road we could allow the use of e.g. arsenic in food as well, as long as they have some alternative name for it in small print on the packaging. Everyone knows it is lethal, thus the death of someone eating the product is the problem of the victim and everyone should be allowed to put as much of it in their products as they want to preserve pure freedom, right?




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#23 11 years ago
MrFancypants;3687219I think heart disease is killing slightly more people than skateboarding-accidents. If you accept things like the patriot act because of a few thousand people being killed you probably shouldn't worry about legislation that tries to deal with a problem that kills millions each year. Besides, a ban is usually not necessary, heavy taxes will do the trick as well and it is rather fair; you still have the choice of poisoning yourself but you'll have to pay more for it to compensate the damage you are doing to society.

For one, I don't agree with he patriot act, however I atleast partially understand it as it is designed, in theory, to protect people from an outside source, not from themselves. That is what I am getting at. I think the government's job is to make sure that people don't infringe each other's rights, such as murder. I'm sure cancer alone causes even more deaths then murder in general but that doesn't mean the government has a right to force everyone to wear sunblock or to forcibly close tanning saloons or whatever.

Edit: A law however, to force companies to clearly label their food with government designated names for certain items is fine by me. It is the right of the consumer to know what they are eating, and it is also the right of the consumer to decide whether or not to continue eating.




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#24 11 years ago
Afterburner;3687227For one, I don't agree with he patriot act, however I atleast partially understand it as it is designed, in theory, to protect people from an outside source, not from themselves. That is what I am getting at. I think the government's job is to make sure that people don't infringe each other's rights, such as murder. I'm sure cancer alone causes even more deaths then murder in general but that doesn't mean the government has a right to force everyone to wear sunblock or to forcibly close tanning saloons or whatever.

I see your point, but I think it's completly realistic to expect a government to behave that way as a large part of a population is usually rather stupid and irresponsible. If people want to go to tanning saloons let them go, but it wouldn't hurt if the government passed legislation that forces them to visit a doctor to get their skin controlled every few months. Or raise a tax for visiting such saloons to compensate for the damage caused by skin-cancer.




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#25 11 years ago
So you are saying that you don't care if people who are too stupid to understand what they are doing to themselves die a painful death? Following that road we could allow the use of e.g. arsenic in food as well, as long as they have some alternative name for it in small print on the packaging.

Arsnic kills. Trans fat doesn't kill. The build up and constant usage of it does. It isn't a Poison persay. Maybe the government should outlaw Butter. Butter does just as much damage if not more than transfats. And it is in a wholllllle lot more than just fast food.

Hmmmm Yummy butter cookies.

Maybe the government should also ban Sugars as they also kill. Diabetics anyone ? Perhaps we should stop the imbibement and sales of wines and alcahols, prohibition ? We can stop drunk driving right there. Stop DWIs, and stop drunk killings.

Just sooooooo many other things they could do. They need to outlaw LARD. lol




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#26 11 years ago
AfterburnerDude, you just don't get it. This isn't about the stupid trans fat. Personally I find the shit disgusting and I try to avoid it.. But the point is it is the government reaching into peoples lives and telling them what they can't do to themselves.

You're operating here on a very perverted ideology, Afterburner. This isn't an issue of The Big Bad Government Versus Personal Freedom. Trust me: would I support that? Nobody's stopping you from cooking your own unhealthy food with trans fat. This is about attacking Big Food and Fast Food (And it's about time - it surely shouldn't stop here). Trans fat is plainly bad for you, and the big food industry has gotten away for way too long cutting corners with consumer health to save a buck. This is a first step in fighting that practice, albeit a small one.




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#27 11 years ago
Afterburner;3687192Dude, you just don't get it. This isn't about the stupid trans fat. Personally I find the shit disgusting and I try to avoid it.. But the point is it is the government reaching into peoples lives and telling them what they can't do to themselves. How about the government abolish everything that can possibly hurt someone and baby people their entire lives. If people want to kill themselves that is their problem, but the government has no right to interfere.

Why do people always have to make it all-or-nothing? It's stupid. "Ban guns? why not ban axes, they're just as dangerous. Trans-fat? why not smokes?" Why not simply say 'This is one thing we can do and should do. Screw personal choice and let us to some good governing'. Not everything should be reduced to "this is my right".




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#28 11 years ago
Locomotor;3687657You're operating here on a very perverted ideology, Afterburner. This isn't an issue of The Big Bad Government Versus Personal Freedom. Trust me: would I support that? Nobody's stopping you from cooking your own unhealthy food with trans fat. This is about attacking Big Food and Fast Food (And it's about time - it surely shouldn't stop here). Trans fat is plainly bad for you, and the big food industry has gotten away for way too long cutting corners with consumer health to save a buck. This is a first step in fighting that practice, albeit a small one.

I have no problem with labeling and education, but if people want to eat the stuff that is their own problem. That is all I am saying. It should, of course, be clearly labeled by a federally decided name, and the consumer should know the negative effects of it, but it should ultimately be their choice, even for something as inane as this.




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#29 11 years ago

This is yet another example of the "Nanny State." It is yet another example of how the government thinks it knows best and you don't know shit about what's good for you or how to take care of yourself, therefore the government steps in and does it for you.