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gravy666

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#1 10 years ago

I say neither, they're both not good choices, but if you put a gun to my head to vote or something, I would say Obama. I'd rather have him controlling 'the button' than McCain. As far as I know, if McCain gets elected, the war in Iraq is gonna go on for another few years, hell, he might even escalate the war. But Obama... *sigh*... he's the guy who's gonna try to become Allies with these dictators. If the Cuban Missile Crisis has taught us anything, it's that we can't trust dictators. Basically, we have some really old pro-war dude and some young guy who's too new for his own good.




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#2 10 years ago

Being a good diplomat does not equate to becoming an ally with dictators.

l2politics.

Oh, and edit: Obama. He's sexy, and I vote for sexy presidents.

Oh and he's for decriminalization of marijuana. w00t.




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#3 10 years ago

I'd pick the lesser of two evils, McCain. Alot of people may think that If you think that I'm one of those people who think there always has to be a war your wrong. Obama pulling the troops out of Iraq will just be letting the terriots regroup and attack our nation again because we didn't stay and finish the job. Plus the people of Iraq won't be that happy either just leaving them out to dry.




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#4 10 years ago
gravy666;4369434I say neither, they're both not good choices, but if you put a gun to my head to vote or something, I would say Obama. I'd rather have him controlling 'the button' than McCain. As far as I know, if McCain gets elected, the war in Iraq is gonna go on for another few years, hell, he might even escalate the war. But Obama... *sigh*... he's the guy who's gonna try to become Allies with these dictators. If the Cuban Missile Crisis has taught us anything, it's that we can't trust dictators. Basically, we have some really old pro-war dude and some young guy who's too new for his own good.

too new for his own good? perhaps fresh blood is what we need, since it's very obvious the older generation doesn't give a flying turd about anything that doesn't help the rich get richer. A staple republican motto.

Obama all the way. 2008 McCain is not the same as 2000 McCain. Something got to him and it's going to kill his shot at the office.


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#5 10 years ago
n0e;4369501too new for his own good? perhaps fresh blood is what we need, since it's very obvious the older generation doesn't give a flying turd about anything that doesn't help the rich get richer. A staple republican motto. Obama all the way. 2008 McCain is not the same as 2000 McCain. Something got to him and it's going to kill his shot at the office.

Why do you support Obama? At least give us a reason. I'd hate to think one of our own admins just follows him 'cause he's black... Anyway, the newbies to this politics stuff don't have much experience, which means they'll pick any old policy and run with it. You should know that new people are not necessarily fit for a job. Would you let a cadet pilot the Titanic through the icebergs? That's essentially what you seem to be implying is the way to go here. Obama will shove us further down the toilet, from what I can see. McCain will struggle to keep us afloat. Either way, we're not in a good situation, and I would prefer a better choice, but I back McCain 100%, because I see no other option. That, and more taxes certainly turns me off...




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#6 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4369511Why do you support Obama? At least give us a reason. I'd hate to think one of our own admins just follows him 'cause he's black...

Why do you persistently suggest people support him because of his skin color, even though no implication whatsoever was made in that direction? This insistence almost seems to be bordering on racism.

Anyway, the newbies to this politics stuff don't have much experience, which means they'll pick any old policy and run with it. You should know that new people are not necessarily fit for a job. Would you let a cadet pilot the Titanic through the icebergs? That's essentially what you seem to be implying is the way to go here.

You act like Obama is some fresh out of law school, inexperienced "cadet". While he may be young for a highest-office politician, I would refrain from calling someone as old as my mother inexperienced. Does he have to have white hair to be experienced enough for the job? He has many years of experience as a civil rights lawyer, and more than ten years first in Illinois state senate and then the national senate.

If he spent that time well, he should have plenty of experience.

Obama will shove us further down the toilet, from what I can see. McCain will struggle to keep us afloat. Either way, we're not in a good situation, and I would prefer a better choice, but I back McCain 100%, because I see no other option.

The toilet that we're in after eight years of Bush, you mean? I hardly think that McCain, who has almost the same stance on the issues as Bush, will change that. And if you aren't referring two the last two terms, then what do you think is responsible for shoving America "down the toilet"?




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#7 10 years ago
Karst;4369529Why do you persistently suggest people support him because of his skin color, even though no implication whatsoever was made in that direction? This insistence almost seems to be bordering on racism.

I've been watching the news. They go around interviewing these voters, and none of them can say why. It's just white guilt. They want a black president because they think it's a "good" thing, and they vote regardless of his policies and what he stands for.

You act like Obama is some fresh out of law school, inexperienced "cadet". While he may be young for a highest-office politician, I would refrain from calling someone as old as my mother inexperienced. Does he have to have white hair to be experienced enough for the job? He has many years of experience as a civil rights lawyer, and more than ten years first in Illinois state senate and then the national senate. If he spent that time well, he should have plenty of experience.

No, he doesn't need white hair for experience. But I would rather trust John McCain, who's been around in politics for a lot long, running the show rather than the new kid who doesn't know what he's doing.

The toilet that we're in after eight years of Bush, you mean? I hardly think that McCain, who has almost the same stance on the issues as Bush, will change that. And if you aren't referring two the last two terms, then what do you think is responsible for shoving America "down the toilet"?

Yes, eight years of Bush, and also helped along by previous presidents who weren't any good either. If you would have seen my earlier post, you'd know that I think both candidates suck. A lot. But I don't think socialism is going to help us out of it, considering that history has proven that socialism is the downfall of a nation and empowers the controllers, while the people grow weaker and have less say. We cannot elect this man without losing more freedoms. I see voting for McCain expedient, not necessary a good choice.




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#8 10 years ago

Penguin_Unit;4369511Why do you support Obama? At least give us a reason. I'd hate to think one of our own admins just follows him 'cause he's black... [/quote]He isn't black but a half blood. People who vote for any candidate because they are (or aren't!) of a certain sex, religion, race, sexual prefference, wealth or what not shouldn't be voting in the first place. Vote for who the person is and what his/her plans are.

[quote=storgan;4369500]I'd pick the lesser of two evils, McCain. Alot of people may think that If you think that I'm one of those people who think there always has to be a war your wrong. Obama pulling the troops out of Iraq will just be letting the terriots regroup and attack our nation again because we didn't stay and finish the job. Plus the people of Iraq won't be that happy either just leaving them out to dry.

Since when are the suicide bombers in Iraq the same ones that have/will try to attack the USA or other western countries? Most of the suicide attacks in Iraq and Afganhistan are to attack the "occupiers of their country" (the usual propanda on how the west tries to destroy islam and such, which sadly, extremist happily buy into to use as an excuse). Don't make me dig up the old famous "Iraq had no connection with 9/11, to go after terrorist nations you would be better of looking at Pakistan and Saudie Arabia, not Iraq".

And the people in Iraq just want stability again, just redrawing immidiatly won't bring that but neither will an extended occupation (liberation force) be. The answer is simple: Hand Iraq back to it's people with a stable goverment and law enforcment (police, army, courts, hospitals, educational institutes etc.) as soon as possible. But getting that done is quite a challenge. It requires much more then simply either pulling out or staying there. It requires timing, support and aid in many other ways etc.

If Obama redraws in a sensable way it should benefit Iraq and it's people. if it would have any result at all it should reduce suicide bombing in the region. Doubt it will have much effect on terrorist threats though since they are "unrelated" (not directly that is). Not that the war on terror can ever be won, you kill one and an other takes his place for revenge. You're better off trying to reduce that what may fuel extremisim/terrorism. But lets not turn this into an other debate on Iraq. =p

Who do I hope to see elected? Obaha (pretty much any democrat would have been fine with me). Who will win? Will be a close call and it will be hard to say. Wouldn't be too suprised if mcCain wins in the end though. I hope not.




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#9 10 years ago

My choice is still for Nader.

For the simple reason he is the only one with a credible plan for election reform.

There's a host of other good reasons (like he's been responsible for dozens of laws in the US protecting ordinary people, or policies like lowering income tax) but that's the one that really sticks out for me.




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#10 10 years ago
Penguin_Unit;4369534I've been watching the news. They go around interviewing these voters, and none of them can say why. It's just white guilt. They want a black president because they think it's a "good" thing, and they vote regardless of his policies and what he stands for.

So? The arguments of any voter in interviews are usually as vague. Suggesting race is the reason behind it, is nothing more than an insult to the voter. There are plenty of people who want a new generation in the white house, and his skin color has nothing to do with it.

No, he doesn't need white hair for experience. But I would rather trust John McCain, who's been around in politics for a lot long, running the show rather than the new kid who doesn't know what he's doing.

Just because he's been around longer doesn't mean he'll do a better job.

Yes, eight years of Bush, and also helped along by previous presidents who weren't any good either. If you would have seen my earlier post, you'd know that I think both candidates suck. A lot. But I don't think socialism is going to help us out of it, considering that history has proven that socialism is the downfall of a nation and empowers the controllers, while the people grow weaker and have less say. We cannot elect this man without losing more freedoms.

Rest assured, none of the candidates are "socialists". It's not surprising that you suspect this since you've shown time and time again that you have no clue of the history, definition, and modern idea of socialism. I won't even bother telling you to look up how many countries have socialist parties in the government and are doing as good, or better than the US.