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Demonseed VIP Member

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#21 9 years ago

Taking stem cells from aborted babies = not okay.

Taking stem cells from umbilical cords = absolutely fine.

Afterburner has a point though. By the time we see any benefits from this sort of research, it'll be obsolete anyway.

DnC;4830381You're absolutely right. Either claim you're a Christian and adhere to all the scriptures or don't be a Christian at all. God wouldn't be very happy if he learnt people are interpreting the Bible.

Totally off topic, but keep in mind, the Bible itself was an interpretation of God's word by men. The books included in it were arbitrarily chosen by Constantine during the Nicene Council. Many, many pieces of writing in the same vein were excluded, and many of those were destroyed as heretical. It's not infallible, or always correct.

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Rich19

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#22 9 years ago
Nemmerle;4830416I've absolutely no problem with killing babies/embryos to benefit society; or even just for shits and giggles. There's nothing special about human life that makes it innately valuable.

I see where you're coming from, although you take it further than I would. Killing for shits and giggles isn't ok, but using them for the greater good is (if you ask me).




Tas

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#23 9 years ago
Demonseed;4830481Taking stem cells from aborted babies = not okay.

Ehm, why not? They are dead..




Tanith

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#24 9 years ago

What is wrong with taking stem cells from an aborted foetus since its already dead? Its more or less the same as using a dead persons organs to help others as its not like the dead person is going to be using them anymore. Or is not taking stem cells from an aborted foetus just a making a stand against abortions in general?

If it is I doubt it would make much/if any impact.

I say what's done is done might aswell use aborted foetuses for some good in the world.




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#25 9 years ago

Tanith;4830590What is wrong with taking stem cells from an aborted foetus since its already dead? Its more or less the same as using a dead persons organs to help others as its not like the dead person is going to be using them anymore. Or is not taking stem cells from an aborted foetus just a making a stand against abortions in general?

If it is I doubt it would make much/if any impact.

I say what's done is done might aswell use aborted foetuses for some good in the world.

Thing is it isn't dead. They are taking them from live embryos...well the live bit is very debatable. Have'nt you ever heard of the handsoffourovaries committee?Abolutely hilarious to me...they even have their own website.

But there is a point. So far NO cures have come from embryonic stem cells but from adult there has been blindness cures, heart disease etc. Yet Goverments continue to fund embryonic more than stem cells and they are more dangerous!!! They can cause cancers themselves. Undeveloped cells can grow uncontrollably causing tumours. They kill possible life. They can be rejected by your body whilst adult stem cells can be used by you as your body grows them but thats the drawback...they don't work for other people....well unless they have very similar blood types etc.




Nemmerle Forum Mod

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#26 9 years ago
Rich19;4830493I see where you're coming from, although you take it further than I would. Killing for shits and giggles isn't ok, but using them for the greater good is (if you ask me).

Eventually with the greater good you have to start building in stuff about the quality of someone's life; how enjoyable it is to live. At which point shits and giggles becomes a perfectly fine allowance for killing the pre-born.




AlDaja

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#27 9 years ago

I for one think the previous Administration set us back on near breakthrough research. It was a policy decision having more to do with politics and ideology than scientific merit.




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#28 9 years ago

DnC;4830208 I think this reinforces my theory that he is in fact atheist or agnostic. I'd happily take a bullet for the man anyday.[/quote] No doubt, its good to have a president who’s grounded a bit more in ‘reality’ instead of rapture.

DnC;4830208 Anyone who replies saying that they are Christian but are for stem cell research, needs to rexamine the values of their religion.[/quote] If they’re young, perhaps, but the old, never. They’ll be turning their homes into jesus themed discos once, every year, till they die.

Jeffro;4830278Get into a car accident, become paraplegic, and then talk to us about the morality of stem cell research.[/quote] The irony would be comical to say the least.

[quote=Afterburner;4830326]It's at the point where they could take one of my skin cells, convert it into a stem cell, and then use that to help me. Not QUITE there yet, but within this decade it'll be normal to have this done. This is where the real magic will happen, not in embryonic stem cell research. Hell, they'll be able to just grow new organs made from my own tissues, which means a guaranteed match, no possibility of rejection.

No links I see. How convenient. Supposing it’s has a hint of truth to it, what do you want to bet that the research can be linked to countries where stem cell research is not illegal and is thereby a product of what you’re so avidly against.

[quote=Nemmerle;4830416]I've absolutely no problem with killing babies/embryos to benefit society; or even just for shits and giggles. There's nothing special about human life that makes it innately valuable.

Quoted for truth. People rarely ever get past their ego’s, let alone realize the true insignificance of themselves and others. Especially afterlifers, or is that prolifers? Maybe both?

[quote=Demonseed;4830481] Taking stem cells from aborted babies = not okay. Taking stem cells from umbilical cords = absolutely fine.

Afterburner has a point though. By the time we see any benefits from this sort of research, it'll be obsolete anyway.

I wonder what would have become of antibiotics had they said the same when researching moldy bread?

I digress from sarcasm, and ponder, what qualifies either of you two, to make such sweeping generalizations on the applications stem cell research can offer, and then I realize, there is none.




Tanith

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#29 9 years ago

Safe and ethically uncontroversial stem cell treatments for a host of diseases were closer to becoming a reality thanks to a major breakthrough by British and Canadian scientists.

Working together, the two teams gave skin cells embryonic powers while avoiding pitfalls that would normally lead to cancer or genetic abnormalities in patients.

The research raises the practical prospect for the first time of developing wide-ranging "spare part" stem cell treatments without having to destroy human embryos.

Major breakthrough in stem cell study | Metro.co.uk




Penguin_Unit

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#30 9 years ago

It's as simple as this: embryonic stem cells have so far shown absolutely no promise, whereas the adult stem cells have proven quite useful. Why waste more money on something that has no prior benefits shown, instead of using the same money furthering a different practice that could very likely achieve roughly the same thing? Like Warborg posted earlier, there's the danger of tumors and the like being generated.