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#21 9 years ago

Like I give a damn what party the guy belongs to. It's what he believe in that counts.

In this case, lying about where taxpayer money is going isn't something that I'm too fond of.




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#22 9 years ago

EO Violation;5205021Like I give a damn what party the guy belongs to. It's what he believe in that counts.

In this case, lying about where taxpayer money is going isn't something that I'm too fond of.

Yup...these politicians that rape our Constitution and get away with it is unbelievable. They have no idea what the hell the the verbiage of our founding documents have to say and what they require, so they 'interpret' their legislative decisions as being in the best interest of the Constitution. I would bet we only have a small handful of our politicians who have ever actually read the Constitution and even fewer who understand what they have read.




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#23 9 years ago

Wasn't this mentioned a few months ago? I remember seeing something about errors, mistakes, questionable stuff and all that being covered on the daily show and colbbert report. Most of it seemed to be due to typos and stupid errors though. Sending money to a none excisting state, county, town or area means either someone made an error when logging the events or fraud.

What is more important that trying to correct these (logging) errors is to see what actually happend to every coin spent. Which money actually got "lost" (possibly indicating fraud), how much money was thrown into an endless pit? Why? Could we learn lessons from this for the future? Or has the same error been made time and time again even though it should have been obvious and clear to many? And why?

And ofcourse:What did the stimulus package achieve (and what did they not?), directly and indirectly. If they didn't achief something, was this the actual goal of the package? Like Fancypants said: Stimilus money and certain laws, policies and such might soften the blow, reduce the free fall of an economy or market sector which seems money well spent. It may also slow down the rate of job losses. In some areas it might even create some jobs, but with money alone you can't increase jobs overall. That's kinda obvious. Various stimulus package may be the stepping stone into slowing down a downfall, and laying down the road/path for rebuilding the economy and thus jobs in the "long" term.




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#24 9 years ago
Admiral Donutz;5205158Wasn't this mentioned a few months ago? I remember seeing something about errors, mistakes, questionable stuff and all that being covered on the daily show and colbbert report. Most of it seemed to be due to typos and stupid errors though. Sending money to a none excisting state, county, town or area means either someone made an error when logging the events or fraud.

Most of this came out during the summer, and iirc was covered well enough. Then again the point of this thread is more along the lines of venting rage it seems.

What is more important that trying to correct these (logging) errors is to see what actually happend to every coin spent. Which money actually got "lost" (possibly indicating fraud), how much money was thrown into an endless pit? Why? Could we learn lessons from this for the future? Or has the same error been made time and time again even though it should have been obvious and clear to many? And why?

Like I mentioned before, this is an unfortunately common problem with the any sort of legislation. What varies from place to place is the steps that are taken to prevent it, and in the US faults lie with both the populace and officials.

After all, these people complaining and urging for fiscal responsibility weren't around in previous years protesting against runaway defense spending, so this tells me their "movement" is more astroturf than grassroots. The people who come out and protest the G8/G20 and WTO come out regardless of whose in power in their countries... that's a genuine conviction. It's not so much the same here.

Politicians vying for power talk alot about stopping the corruption and problems of the prior administration, and that alone is enough to get them into office. Not so much what they'll do, but more of a rejection of the previous administration. This is pretty much how American politics work, and I think this is a key problem with the two party system because people will just bounce in between the two.

So come election time, people will either go vote back in a Republican or some tea party idiot, and find that things do not really change. Why? The American populace is very gullible.

And ofcourse:What did the stimulus package achieve (and what did they not?), directly and indirectly. If they didn't achief something, was this the actual goal of the package? Like Fancypants said: Stimilus money and certain laws, policies and such might soften the blow, reduce the free fall of an economy or market sector which seems money well spent. It may also slow down the rate of job losses. In some areas it might even create some jobs, but with money alone you can't increase jobs overall. That's kinda obvious. Various stimulus package may be the stepping stone into slowing down a downfall, and laying down the road/path for rebuilding the economy and thus jobs in the "long" term.

And that's really up to who you ask. Those who want to see it fail are judging it by its immediate effects, and those who want it to succeed argue that it's a long term thing.

Though I think it won't do what it was pitched to do, and this will hurt the Obama administration come election time since the supporters of the bill trounced it to be a good thing that was "shovel-ready" and would stabilize things.

However, the citizens of the United States probably will continue allowing for the current practice of politics- acting like firemen putting out a fire, rather than police to prevent and deter...




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#25 9 years ago

Commissar MercZ;5205278Most of this came out during the summer, and iirc was covered well enough. Then again the point of this thread is more along the lines of venting rage it seems.

Like I mentioned before, this is an unfortunately common problem with the any sort of legislation. What varies from place to place is the steps that are taken to prevent it, and in the US faults lie with both the populace and officials.

After all, these people complaining and urging for fiscal responsibility weren't around in previous years protesting against runaway defense spending, so this tells me their "movement" is more astroturf than grassroots. The people who come out and protest the G8/G20 and WTO come out regardless of whose in power in their countries... that's a genuine conviction. It's not so much the same here.

Politicians vying for power talk alot about stopping the corruption and problems of the prior administration, and that alone is enough to get them into office. Not so much what they'll do, but more of a rejection of the previous administration. This is pretty much how American politics work, and I think this is a key problem with the two party system because people will just bounce in between the two.

So come election time, people will either go vote back in a Republican or some tea party idiot, and find that things do not really change. Why? The American populace is very gullible.

campaigns, slogans and one liners based on "them bad, we good" appear rather funny to me. I suppose it's alright to point out some mistakes, errors, promises that were not lived up to for "no" good reason and such but the most important message is what you will try to fix or make better, together with some honesty as politics can't solve everything; which brings me to my first point: pointing out some mistakes, though one has to be fair and admit that ANY person, organisation or entity will make errors, both small and large. It's important to know however why something went wrong and if it can be prevented in the future.

And that's really up to who you ask. Those who want to see it fail are judging it by its immediate effects, and those who want it to succeed argue that it's a long term thing.

Though I think it won't do what it was pitched to do, and this will hurt the Obama administration come election time since the supporters of the bill trounced it to be a good thing that was "shovel-ready" and would stabilize things.

However, the citizens of the United States probably will continue allowing for the current practice of politics- acting like firemen putting out a fire, rather than police to prevent and deter...

Speaking of saving the economy, yes it will depend what your personal expectations are. Though some common sense should tell you what you could expect in the short and long run, and what is unlikely (or impossible) to expect in the short and/or long term.

Indeed, it's even more important to see the authorities act as policemen and guardings, to introduce legislation that will (should) set things right. But every now and then they need to be a good firefighter aswell. But I rather have a goverment with excellent policiung abilities and lesser firefight abilities then the other way around. In the long run it that will keep damages down (or quality levels up) and costs down.

But the lack of long term interests seems to be what causes a lot of problems, both with goverments and businesses, and instead simply going for the short time gain. That extra vote or dollar today over the results down the road. And it's a shame people put up it.




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#26 9 years ago

Tom Hanks and Shelley Long could spend our money far better than the nincompoops we have in office.