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#1 9 years ago
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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - A four-year-old child died in a Kandahar city hospital Tuesday, the third young victim of a tragic explosion near a tiny Afghan village that angry residents and grief-stricken family members are blaming on Canadian soldiers. Hospital officials identified the child as Juma Gul, one of three children treated for wounds in the aftermath of the blast Monday that killed two others near the village of Saleha. Although the circumstances of the blast remain murky, Afghan officials say that prior to the blast, the children had likely been scavenging for bits of scrap metal - a common practice in a dirt-poor country that's littered with the detritus of war. A village elder said he believes the children found what may have been unexploded munitions in a field after Canadian soldiers had been conducting range practice. They scooped it up, along with spent brass cartridges, and were taking it home when the blast occurred. "The children were playing with that (when) it exploded on them," said Azeem Khan, head of the village council. The explosion instantly killed two boys - a 13-year-old identified as Sadar Mohammed and 12-year-old Amed Jan. Their deaths prompted a gruesome protest in Kandahar city, where the young bodies of the first two victims were put on display as an angry mob shouted: "Death to the Canadians." Villagers in the Panjwaii district - a notorious Taliban redoubt - initially accused Canadian troops of rocketing the children. Picking up bits of metal for recycling is among the few ways of earning a living in the desperately poor district of southern Afghanistan. But it's also a perilous occupation, given the country's reputation as one of the most heavily mined areas in the world. In addition to the ever-present Taliban threat of roadside bombs, Afghanistan's long history of military conflict also means the country is strewn with unexploded ordnance. The mood in the village, which includes a separate district for victims handicapped by the war, was grim Tuesday, with many residents still seething with anger and resentment directed at the Canadians.

So let me get this right, the children had been scavenging for bits of scrap metal, came across some unexploded munitions, started playing with them and they blew out killing a few of them. So where's the parents in all this? You just let you kid wander away when you know there is going to be unexploded munitions, mines and all that shit out there? No not our fault, tis your fault. You know what really get's me is this part: Their deaths prompted a gruesome protest in Kandahar city, where the young bodies of the first two victims were put on display as an angry mob shouted: "Death to the Canadians." Now these first two are the dead kid. Some family eh? Lets use my child's dead body in our little protest! That is disturbing! Perhaps we are to blame perhaps you are to. So lets share the blame!


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#2 9 years ago

Yeah well thats how it goes. Shit thats been sitting there since the first british expedition 200 years ago blows some unsupervised kids away and its YOUR fault because....you happen to be there at the moment. Welcome to the American Experience btw.




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#3 9 years ago

Just a kid and a bunch of whiney bigots.




Tas

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#4 9 years ago

Eh, fuck them. Shame about the kids, but if you as parent are going to treat your kids as adults so they can make money you better be prepared to teach them the nono's of the trade, and expect them to get hurt anyway when something goes wrong.

It could just have easily been a russian mine, i wonder if that would have sparked such a protest.




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#5 9 years ago

Still parading their dead children for protest? That’s taking protesting to new level.


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#6 9 years ago

Like the report says, nobody is sure how it really happened.

If it was really unexploded ammunition left there by Canadian soldiers then I'm not really surprised that those civilians are angry. I'm sure your average Canadian civilian would be rather annoyed too if his kids died because some soldiers couldn't be bothered to clean up after an exercise.

As for carrying bodies around, that seems to a rather common behaviour in that area. And that a kid isn't properly supervised 24/7 in a thirld world country seems obvious too.

Also, I'd guess that the numerous other civilian deaths in Afghanistan caused by NATO and the history of the country (deaths of civilians during Soviet occupation) play a role in this reaction too.




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#7 9 years ago

It's not uncommon for this stuff to occur in Afghanistan. What suprises me is that they now blame Canada for something. Sometimes it just seems like they're looking for an excuse to blame everything on other countries.




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#8 9 years ago

To be fair, nobody is really to blame, especially the Canadians. First off, you can't be very good parents if you don't keep a closer eye on your children. Secondly, what sort of community must you live in, to walk around protesting with the dead bodies of children? Seriously. My opinion is that the majority are using this as a reason / excuse to riot. They don't actually care about the situatation, they just maybe don't like Canadians / other people in their country, and they see this as an oppertunity to make themselves noticed.




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#9 9 years ago
So let me get this right, the children had been scavenging for bits of scrap metal, came across some unexploded munitions, started playing with them and they blew out killing a few of them. So where's the parents in all this? You just let you kid wander away when you know there is going to be unexploded munitions, mines and all that shit out there? No not our fault, tis your fault.

Some people are willing to pay handsomely for scrap metal, especially in poorer places like that, and it can be a valuable source of income. For example, when my parents were young they used to scavenge around for scrap metal and stuff to sell to the government to help with the Cultural Revolution, and for those times, it was a handsome amount of money too; without it, my parents would not have been able to feed themselves, go to school, etc.

No, it is not your (or our) fault, but its really interesting to see how whenever something happens, people always want someone to blame for it. No, it's not the children's fault, nor is it their parents' fault, because they are the risks they have to take in order to lead a more prosperous life, and its not easy to tell when an unexploded munition is going to go.




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#10 9 years ago

If it was unexploded munitions, such as a cluster bomb, hand grenade, or something similar; odds are that it was expended in battle and simply didn't go off as it was designed. I highly doubt that any Canadian soldier tossed down an explosive in the hopes that a civilian would pick it up and set it off.

I can understand why the Afghans would tend to believe the opposite; after all, the Soviet army actually packed dolls with explosives during their war with the Afghans. These dolls were designed for kids to pick them up, carry them home, and then detonate.

That is despicable. What happened here, is not.