On George Bush, the Occupation of Iraq, and Public Opinion 79 replies

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Locomotor

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#1 12 years ago

George Bush, our lovely president, held a press conference the other day, where he discussed everything from the Plan B "early-term abortion" pill to the Isreal-Lebanon conflict. I just read it, and I saw something interesting. He made some frankly silly - by that I mean completely untrue - remarks concerning the opinions of the Iraqi people. Among them: "One thing is clear: The Iraqi people are showing incredible courage." The University of Michigan recently (June 2006) did a comprehensive survey of the only opinions that actually matter concerning the occupation of Iraq: the Iraqi people. And it would seem that the Iraqi people would beg to differ with George Bush. When asked if they thought everyday life was safe, a near majority of Shi'is "strongly agreed" that daily life is nowadays "unpredictable and dangerous", along with 83% of Sunnis, and 54% of Kurds. He also said: "You know, it's an interesting debate we're having in America about how we ought to handle Iraq. There's a lot of people -- good, decent people, saying, withdraw now. They're absolutely wrong." According to the study, 91.7% of Iraqis are either "somewhat opposed" or "strongly opposed" to the continued American occupation of Iraq. It's good to see that Bush thinks over nine out of ten Iraqis are "completely wrong"; what do they know anyway? But again, the debate isn't between the Bush Administration and the Iraqi people, as it very much should be, but it's, as he says, "an interesting debate we're having here in America." Another interesting note: "The United States of America must understand it's in our interests that we help this democracy succeed. As a matter of fact, it's in our interests that we help reformers across the Middle East achieve their objectives." (emphasis added) It would seem so. The Iraq Invasion has filled more than a few corporate coffers in America. According to iraqbodycount.net, anywhere between 41,041 and 45,613 innocent Iraqi civilians have been killed as a result of the 2003 US-led invasion and following occupation of Iraq. This is for you George Bush: :moon: Press Conference: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/08/20060821.html University of Michigan Study: http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?Releases/2006/Jun06/r061406a http://www.taarii.org/ http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/2006/08/what_the_iraqi_.html http://www.iraqbodycount.net/




emonkies

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#2 12 years ago

Sorry but none of this would classify as new or stunning news.

"The United States of America must understand it's in our interests that we help this democracy succeed. As a matter of fact, it's in our interests that we help reformers across the Middle East achieve their objectives."

Agreed that it might be in America's best interest but shouldnt the US be doing whats in the Iraqi's best interest?




Chemix2

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#3 12 years ago

In the long term, as I've said before, if we can Americanize the Iraqis, then it is in both our and their interest regaurdless of what they want now.




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#4 12 years ago

hey in google write down failure and click im feeling lucky hehehe today in my countrys newspaper it wrote that only 30% of America supports the war in Iraq




Roaming East

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#5 12 years ago

You can lead a horse to water. Iraqis in my opinion havent matured enough as a unified people to e able to do much with the democracy or freedom or whatever you want to call that has been given to them. At some point the local people are going to have to stand on their own and establish their own successful country. Iraqis love to complain publiucly about US troops but the second we pull out of any particular area they want to blame us for not being there to protect them. They know for a fact that the only thing keeping that dirtpile of theirs from turning into a giant crater is continued US presence but for the sake of pride and ego they spit on us every chance they get. As has already been posted on this forum, those mideast hillbillies have been acting dumb and getting trod upon by local warlords BEFORE America came and if they continue living in whatever fantasy land they seem so enamored by they will continue to get trod upon by whoever has the bigger guns. Cut our losses and pull out. Its not Uncle Sugars job to baby step ingrates to the promised land.




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#6 12 years ago

I hardly care for bush anymore as I used to in his first term and the elections..He has 2 more years, and he is already doing enough shit in the world, no need to worry bout him any longer IMO.




Locomotor

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#7 12 years ago
Anlushac11Sorry but none of this would classify as new or stunning news.[/QUOTE] I know it isn't, but I'm behind on my punditry, and wanted to make something a little more constructive than "Bush is stupid".
Agreed that it might be in America's best interest but shouldnt the US be doing whats in the Iraqi's best interest?
Yes, exactly. That was my point. [QUOTE=Roaming East]They know for a fact that the only thing keeping that dirtpile of theirs from turning into a giant crater is continued US presence but for the sake of pride and ego they spit on us every chance they get.

Hardly. They aren't just a bunch of stupid cave-dwellers you know. I think 91.7% of the Iraqi population (according to this poll, which I doubt is very far from the truth) knows better than George Bush. I'd say we pull our troops out immediately, and let some multinational peace-keeping force in, ala Lebanon, organized by the UN. Then we could pull out US corporate investments and hand over the responsibility of reconstruction to a country that'd be willing to be a little more sincere than the US.

Also, an interesting note that I forgot to include in the first post: according to the study, as well, 76% of Iraqis believe the US invaded Iraq to control its oil reserves. But again, what do they know?




Roaming East

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#8 12 years ago

No they arent a bunch of cave dwellers, the majority of Iraqis live in buildings composed of mud brick actually. I have walked the streets and pressed the flesh so to speak on more than a few good will visits while my unit has been in Iraq. The talk is always the same. You see them talk to local news crews or newspapers and talk about how eager they are for the US to leave and how offended they are that their nation is occupied. But in private they laud our efforts and ask for us to stay and provide security. Iraqis are just as dumb about their nations political process as any other nation. They believe what is popular to believe and what is spoon fed to them by popular media without much foresight on their own. The talking head on Al-Arabiya says that the infidel is here to steal our oil? must be true, thats what the talking box said. Same as how dummies in this country think 9/11 was some kind of government conspiracy because a slick powerpoint slide says it is. Should the US be in Iraq? no Do common Iraqis want us there? probably not, at least publicly. Would they complain to high hell if we up and left? you bet your sweet ass they would. They would moan to the heavens on why we 'abandoned' them and would plead to whatever local authority they submit to about how whatever Army unit was there should be brought back. SSDD




Relander

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#9 12 years ago
LocomotorI'd say we pull our troops out immediately, and let some multinational peace-keeping force in, ala Lebanon, organized by the UN.

Not even with a long stick the UN will touch Iraq militarily, not today or in a near future. It's a pipe-dream.

Also, an interesting note that I forgot to include in the first post: according to the study, as well, 76% of Iraqis believe the US invaded Iraq to control its oil reserves. But again, what do they know?

It would be foolish to believe that the USA invaded Iraq just because of its oil reserves. It was a significant reason, but not the only one.

The USA and other former invading coalition countries such as Great Britain must stay in Iraq until the Iraqis can take care of themselves. Iraq is slowly making progress so I say let's keep it that way. An immediate pullout would not only be selfish, but also very stupid and fateful.

Roaming East said the rest.




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#10 12 years ago
Relander It would be foolish to believe that the USA invaded Iraq just because of its oil reserves. It was a significant reason, but not the only one.

Indeed. The other reason is weapons (not the ones that Saddam was supposed to have, but the ones that Bush and his friends from Carlyle had to sell).