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#1 8 years ago

Nasa wants people to go to Mars on a one way ticket, never to return, this is dated October 2010. http://www.breakingnewsenglish.com/1010/101029-mars.pdf My take' on this is as follows. America landed on the moon and proclaimed the moon for ALL of mankind. America is scarred China will beat them to Mars and claim the whole planet for china alone. America has the same intention, to claim Mars for America. There is no place for second best and no reward unless you want to start the first space war. There are a massive amount of recourses in space, we just have not mastered space mining yet. The Moon has been chopped up by private companies and piece's of it sold to hundreds of different people. l believe they want to prevent this happening on Mars. It is the ultimate high ground for a military outpost, capable of being pretty much immune to anything that happens on earth, from war to asteroid impacts, unless one hits mars of coarse, and its a failsafe for who ever's race is there if our species falters on planet earth. What do you guys/girls recon ?




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#2 8 years ago

I'd think tons of people would be pushing for something like the Antarctic Treaty to stop any sort of territorial disputes, but I'm pretty sure that's just so that people don't feel like their country is being left out of something as awesome as colonizing another planet. If the USA was able to get to Mars all on its own, especially without sabotaging or stealing the efforts of competitors, then I'd have to say fair play to the USA. If the USA was able to turn Mars into a planet capable of supporting human life, then that'd probably be my proudest day as an American.

Granted, I'm a bit biased.




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#3 8 years ago

You can't actually lay a territorial claim to a celestial body under international law.

The exploration and use of outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries, irrespective of their degree of economic or scientific development, and shall be the province of all mankind.

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, shall be free for exploration and use by all States without discrimination of any kind, on a basis of equality and in accordance with international law, and there shall be free access to all areas of celestial bodies.

There shall be freedom of scientific investigation in outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, and States shall facilitate and encourage international co-operation in such investigation.

Outer space, including the moon and other celestial bodies, is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means.

GA Resolutions Pertaining to the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space




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#4 8 years ago

Science fiction is quickly becoming reality! I wonder if Flat Cats really do exist lol. Regardless, it's an amazing step forward into a new frontier. The colonization of Mars would mark the beginning of a whole new era of exploration and travel! I mean, yes we already explore it from the ground and data from probes, but to actually examine and map it out in person, incredible.


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#5 8 years ago

i doubt there'll be a moon landing until at least 2030, that is, assuming we're still making progress and the world's not a hellhole then. new technology is making it feasible, but this technology is still far too impractical to mount on a vessel. not to mention issues concerning fuel. this would cost billions and billions to do, and terraforming from scratch is something that's never been done. there's an enormous chance of screwing up, and wasting billions of dollars that we'll never get back.




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#6 8 years ago
Nemmerle;5421693You can't actually lay a territorial claim to a celestial body under international law. GA Resolutions Pertaining to the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space

l dought that will mean anything to those that get there first, or if a space war starts out there, l find it extremely hard to believe that china would play by the rules, [america must know this ] so its an open book on what will happen in reality, at least until they all go there and try it. Its a bit like the 'no weapons in space'' treaty, very hard to believe there not developing weapons to be used in space, space is the ultimate high ground, to win it will require new weapons, both sides will be developing them, l think its a bit naive to believe they will all stick strictly to the international rules.... Even if it means one side get to Mars and claim 1/3 of Mars to be there territory, tell me how can anyone stop it ? Like other things in history, the side that wins and breaks the rules to do it will just say they don't recognize UN rules in this regard. And if those laws were taken seriously, the moon would not have been chopped up and sold of to whoever wanted it, which is what has happened to it.David Bekem the soccer player owns a piece of the moon for Christ sake, he could charge rent if anyone lands on his little piece of the moon, as silly as that might seem, the land titles are real, and china will realize that the international law has been ignored here and thus will do as they see fit in the national interests of china, which would be to claim as much of Mars as possible.If you don't claim all of the planet just 90% of it you haven't broken that international law. Lawyers always find ways around those sorts of laws, they will on this subject as well when it suits them. Humans could go to the moon next year, all we need is proper motivation, we have the tech to do it right now.When they said they were going to the moon the first time around it was 8 years later and we were on the moon, with the technology of a wrist watch.NASA has lost its balls and gone all over the top on safety, space exploration means taking big risks, Apollo 13 should have told them that.The Chinese will beat America if they don't wake up to that fact.NASA need a bigger budget.




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#7 8 years ago
jackripped;5421899NASA need a bigger budget.

Idealistically, i agree. I'd love to see full-scale space exploration. economically, i disagree. NASA funding has a very low return of capital. in fact, the only real return is the occasional technological spin-offs. in other words, investment in NASA is like throwing money in a black hole. one thing you have to remember is there is a limited amount of money in the world. without a return, that money's gone for good. it's a pretty capitalist way of looking at it, but sadly, it's true. maybe when the economy's back in order, but not at the moment.




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Keyser_Soze;5421906Idealistically, i agree. I'd love to see full-scale space exploration. economically, i disagree. NASA funding has a very low return of capital. in fact, the only real return is the occasional technological spin-offs. in other words, investment in NASA is like throwing money in a black hole. one thing you have to remember is there is a limited amount of money in the world. without a return, that money's gone for good. it's a pretty capitalist way of looking at it, but sadly, it's true. maybe when the economy's back in order, but not at the moment.

l disagree, because knowledge is power, and the things developed around NASA for space exploration have been used by many companies to develop other things.We don't see allot of it in our ever day lives, but allot of good technology has come out of NASA. Lets say the next war starts and it becomes an in orbit around the earth conflict, he who knows the most and has the biggest motivation will win, and lets presume the winner takes all, and becomes the next currency king for decades to come, still think its a black hole for money ? If it keeps you on top of the game its worth every penny, the US goes to war to keep its currency on top, space is no different.Wars cost trillions of dollars, its a lie for them to state they cant afford it, they can.




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jackripped;5421909l disagree, because knowledge is power, and the things developed around NASA for space exploration have been used by many companies to develop other things.We don't see allot of it in our ever day lives, but allot of good technology has come out of NASA. Lets say the next war starts and it becomes an in orbit around the earth conflict, he who knows the most and has the biggest motivation will win, and lets presume the winner takes all, and becomes the next currency king for decades to come, still think its a black hole for money ? If it keeps you on top of the game its worth every penny, the US goes to war to keep its currency on top, space is no different.Wars cost trillions of dollars, its a lie for them to state they cant afford it, they can.

i understand what you're saying, and i in no way support wars over space research, but at the present moment, there are more important things we should be focusing on. without a focus on economic development, in the long term, there won't be any development of space technology. i think you're missing my point about the black hole analogy. Money is a generic value used as an interchangeable material used for trade of resources. if you don't get a financial return on what you are doing, that money you lost is gone. what you describe just redistributes money. at the present time space isn't militarised, and i don't see it being militarised any time soon. i'd like to see people get to mars, don't get me wrong, but there seems to be such a certainty it'll solve all our problems. why? it's an arid, dusty rock, with no evident valuable resources, and even if it did have valuable resources, how much would it cost to transport them back to earth? is it even possible to terraform mars? can mars develop an atmosphere? i'm not sure about this. to embark on this would cost trillions. that's at least 1/14th of the USA's GDP, 1/58th of the world GDP. and we're not realistically going to get much of that back in the let's face it, likely event of a failure. i really see it as too much to commit to, without having any certainty about it being possible.




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jackripped;5421899l dought that will mean anything to those that get there first, or if a space war starts out there, l find it extremely hard to believe that china would play by the rules, [america must know this ] so its an open book on what will happen in reality, at least until they all go there and try it. Its a bit like the 'no weapons in space'' treaty, very hard to believe there not developing weapons to be used in space, space is the ultimate high ground, to win it will require new weapons, both sides will be developing them, l think its a bit naive to believe they will all stick strictly to the international rules.... Even if it means one side get to Mars and claim 1/3 of Mars to be there territory, tell me how can anyone stop it ? Like other things in history, the side that wins and breaks the rules to do it will just say they don't recognize UN rules in this regard. And if those laws were taken seriously, the moon would not have been chopped up and sold of to whoever wanted it, which is what has happened to it. David Bekem the soccer player owns a piece of the moon for Christ sake, he could charge rent if anyone lands on his little piece of the moon, as silly as that might seem, the land titles are real, and china will realize that the international law has been ignored here and thus will do as they see fit in the national interests of china, which would be to claim as much of Mars as possible. If you don't claim all of the planet just 90% of it you haven't broken that international law. Lawyers always find ways around those sorts of laws, they will on this subject as well when it suits them.

Humans could go to the moon next year, all we need is proper motivation, we have the tech to do it right now.When they said they were going to the moon the first time around it was 8 years later and we were on the moon, with the technology of a wrist watch.NASA has lost its balls and gone all over the top on safety, space exploration means taking big risks, Apollo 13 should have told them that.The Chinese will beat America if they don't wake up to that fact.NASA need a bigger budget.

You can claim whatever you like, I can claim the whole world. Until I can back it up it's bullshit; similar to those sites you can go on to buy bits of the moon. David Beckham doesn't have anyone important who recognises his claim.

Similarly China could claim to own as much of Mars as they liked, but actually having the force to back that up; or a reason to do so? Doesn't seem likely.

Space as high ground.... It's not analogous. There are advantages and disadvantages to being in space vs being on the ground.