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GreatGrizzly

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#1 13 years ago

Patriotism has been used a lot in the recent years. If you don’t do this, you are unpatriotic, if you do that you are unpatriotic. The politicians love the “if you don’t agree with me, you are patriotic” card. They use it to great effect Patriotism to me is to use my rights that the forefathers have given me, the right to question and protest the government if they become corrupt, abusive, or don’t represent me. Patriotism is not to blindly follow some person or party. We have been given the right to question our government, that is our patriotic duty. Yet people don’t question their government, turning away when their leader does badly. All the while calling the others that question the said leader “unpatriotic” or “traitors”. People don’t become patriots by joining the army, people become a patriot by crying foul when the government steps over the line by abusing the citizen’s rights or doing something the citizens don’t want them to do. Men and women die for our rights, yet if we don’t use our rights, what does their death mean? Nothing. If we aren’t a patriot as civilians, then we cant a patriot as soldiers. I am a true patriot, are you?




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#2 13 years ago

Everyone has the right to question the government. The line is drawn at doing things that harm your country.

There are people who either knowingly or unknowingly say things that are treasonous, and generally unpatriotic. Saying that the American flag is a symbol of hatred, as some California parents said, it unpatriotic. Saying that the world would be better off if the United States Army never existed is unpatriotic.

Questioning the government, however, is not.




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#3 13 years ago

I love my country. My country, however, is not George Bush, it is not the army, it is not the war in Iraq. It's a lot more than that. Most of the time, I am proud to be an American. Because I know being an American is a lot more than a label other people give us.

USMA2010 Questioning the government, however, is not.

Questioning the government is the crux of what it is to be patriotic. It is how our country was formed, and the minute we stop doing it is the minute we forget our roots. That will be a sad day, indeed.




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#4 13 years ago

I'm proud to be an American, like Inyri said, it's more then just a label. I'm proud to call myself an American, and (depending on the event) usually proud of my country. It doesn't make us "better" or "worse" then anyone else. The way I've been raised is to always be aware of what's going on in my country, and the world.




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#5 13 years ago

What of those who question the government, and find themselves to agree with it? Those who are called unpatriotic always call this sort of people lemmings, blind followers of corrupt leaders.




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#6 13 years ago

Well I find that almost everyone is biased one way or the other, and I'm sure all of us are guilty of this at one point or another. It's very hard to find someone who is purely objective when it comes to politics, so I've stopped trying. I don't participate in political discussions for this reason.

However to call someone unpatriotic because they question the government, and to call them lemmings for doing the same and agreeing, are just as bad. Therefor even the open-minded among us can be closed-minded. Such a a paradox...




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#7 13 years ago

Patriotism isn't necessarily the same thing as questioning your government. I am not a patriot but I question my government nevertheless.

Questioning your government is a good thing to do, especially if there are some dimwits in charge, as it occasionaly happens.

As for patriotism, I think it is an obsolete concept which is too easily abused by politicians with ulterior motives.




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#8 13 years ago
MrFancypantsAs for patriotism, I think it is an obsolete concept which is too easily abused by politicians with ulterior motives.

Exactly. This is the main thing I do not understand about America. I mean, I am not patriotic or nationalistic at all. And as far as I see it, I have no reason to be either. What makes my country better than the next?




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#9 13 years ago

Patriotism isn't 'questioning your government'. That's just common-sense. The second you trust anything to a bunch of lying, back-stabbing, greedy creeps who wouldn't hesitate to sell you into slavery if they thought it'd win them an election, is the second you become a moron. All of the influential politicians are corrupt. It's a bloody requirement for becoming influential in the first place. Patriotism is pride in your country's achievements and its people, and generally how nice it is to live there. Or at least, your impression of its achievements and how nice it is to live there, which is all that seems to matter to most people. For instance, the UK could be said to be one of the most patriotic countries in the EU, with more zealous nationalists than most, but it's hardly a nice place to live these days. If you're not being robbed then a drunken football hooligan is vomiting on you. And when you're trying to be treated for any injuries you received in the process, you have to wait for 6 - 8 months for a doctor to see you. And of course, you can't live anywhere while you wait because house prices are so ridiculously high that nobody can afford to buy any of them. The US is in a similar boat, though they have even worse healthcare, worse schooling and a similar crime rate, yet even more patriotism.

'LIGHTNING [NL']Exactly. This is the main thing I do not understand about America. I mean, I am not patriotic or nationalistic at all. And as far as I see it, I have no reason to be either. What makes my country better than the next?

...contrastingly, the Netherlands is one of the nicer places to live at the moment, and it's remarkably short on patriotism. Quite a few things make it technically better than 'the next'... a low crime rate, a high standard of living, a decent education and healthcare system, etc. You've even got more broadband than most people can shake a modem at, jammy gits. In short, patriotism makes no sense and is rarely applied in the right places. To hell with it. I'd rather worry about more important things, like where I'm going to find my next choc-ice.




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#10 13 years ago

I've never really understood patriotism, its being proud of what someone else has done for you, not what you have achieved for yourself. Im greatful of what 2 generations before me did during WWII but this doesnt make me swear alleigance to my country. Id never die for my country as is sometimes said, but, I would die for what I believed in. Im proud of the person I am rather than what someone else did years ago or something which I didnt change or better myself. Greatful for their contribution but not proud.