a good documentary which covers the start of the insurgency as well as the dramatic split between Nationalist and religious resistance. It is about an hour long and does contain some violent footage so i hope i don't get any flak from the mods.
Very good video too. One of the most unbiased works ive seen on the topic
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3rd September 2005
Artie Buccohttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/insurgency/view/ a good documentary which covers the start of the insurgency as well as the dramatic split between Nationalist and religious resistance. It is about an hour long and does contain some violent footage so i hope i don't get any flak from the mods.
i watched this too. its very interesting. i was thinking of making a thread on this too but i guess you beat me to it. its interesting to me that there are two insurgencys. the ones that fight only american soildiers and the ones that just kill(terrorists). the one that just fight americans are fighting a occupation. they voted and helped guard the polling stations. this is a insurrgency we should cooperate with. then there are the plain killers insurgency who are radical muslims fighting and killing everyone. they are the ones who blow up street markets and cafes. we should not take any prisoners of these sort of insrugents. what was the saddest part i think is in that video the reporter said a man started to talk about his family and how he want to go back to them but then he stoped himself and said the devil was trying to take him away from his mission of jihad. this i think is the whole problem with the middle east. there is too much faith and they give to much of their life to their god.
Saw this on TV a week ago, thought it was very good, and had some interesting footage. One thing that definitely doesn't get enough attention is the fact that there are *some* Iraqis who welcome the occupation, and you don't see too much of that elsewhere (don't get me wrong, I'm against the occupation). I think one of the points it makes is a fair one-- the Insurgency is simply destructive. Of course, there are many different insurgency groups, but one thing I have never understood is simply the fact that not only do they strike human efforts to rebuild Iraq (like the police stations and the like-- where the motivation is understandable), but they also strike things like water pipelines and the like, which makes no sense, and in fact, as the documentary shows, has turned some Iraqis against them. They need a new PR guy, I think :p. The footage when they're in the city (Ramadi I think?), staring at the tanks down the road that can't do anything yet, is interesting. If I were a journalist, I would never embed myself with an insurgent group, considering the shit you'd be against. You wouldn't even stand a chance! Apparently, though, mentioned in another 'episode' of Frontlines, the insurgent groups are often asking reporters to be embedded with them, which of course, most often gets declined. Neat stuff.
EON_MagicManOne thing that definitely doesn't get enough attention is the fact that there are *some* Iraqis who welcome the occupation, and you don't see too much of that elsewhere (don't get me wrong, I'm against the occupation).
Iraq's majority Shia Muslims welcome the occupation and drive towards 'democracy' because they are the one who will seize power through the democratic process. The Sunnis know this and are pissed meaning they attack the Shias where and when they can. The Shias want the U.S. there for protection. They aren't stupid.
They don't care for the U.S. being in Iraq anymore than anyone else in Iraq does, but they intend to make the most of the opportunity which has been presented to them. It isn't rocket science.
we discussed such things in a lot of threads.most of the times the same thing.New developments(bombing of the mosques) may lead to a civil war in the future.Most probably a civil war may take place once after majority of allied forces are withdrawn. the US gonna stay there and going to have more than 10 bases(They have pulled out forces from Saudi Arabia and they need some space in Iraq now.),but they can't stop civil conflicts or sectarian issues.Basically Iraqis need a strong leader,and non-partial judiciary and law enforcement agencies.