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BBC NEWS | Americas | Praying man let his daughter die

A US jury has found a man guilty of killing his sick 11-year-old daughter by praying for her recovery rather than seeking medical care.

The man, Dale Neumann, told a court in the state of Wisconsin he believed God could heal his daughter.

She died of a treatable disease - undiagnosed diabetes - at home in rural Wisconsin in March last year, as people surrounded her and prayed.

Neumann's wife, Leilani Neumann, was convicted earlier this year.

The couple, who were both convicted of second-degree reckless homicide, face up to 25 years in prison when they are sentenced in October.

A lawyer representing Dale Neumann said he would appeal.

'Faith healing'

During the trial, medical experts told the court that Neumann's daughter could have survived if she had received treatment, including insulin and fluids, before she stopped breathing.

On Thursday Neumann, who is 47 and studied in the past to be a Pentecostal minister, said he thought God would heal his daughter.

"If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God," he said. "I am not believing what he said he would do."

He also said he thought his daughter had had flu or a fever, and that he had not realised how ill she was.

Neumann's lawyer said he had been convinced that his "faith healing" was working, and that he had committed no crime.

The prosecution argued that Neumann had minimised his daughter's illness and that he had allowed her to die as a selfish act of faith.

They said the girl should have been taken to hospital because she was unable to walk, talk, eat or drink.

Instead, an ambulance was only called once the girl had stopped breathing.

Fundamentalism is mental disease and a malevolent one at that. This man should go with an insanity plea because he obviously isn't right in the head. The voice of "god" tells him to do something and he complies. How twisted and sad...




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That's sad. I'd say this is more a case of idiotic parenting than religious fundamentalism though. Even hardcore Christians probably heard the phrase "God helps those who help themselves". My guess is the father didn't care or didn't want to cover the costs for treatment.

It is interesting that other people apparently joined the healing-prayers. And none of them contacted authorities? Isn't that accessory to murder?




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#3 9 years ago
MrFancypants;4964986That's sad. I'd say this is more a case of idiotic parenting than religious fundamentalism though. Even hardcore Christians probably heard the phrase "God helps those who help themselves". My guess is the father didn't care or didn't want to cover the costs for treatment.

Not so sure on that, saying "If I go to the doctor, I am putting the doctor before God" pretty much implies that it's a wholly religious thing.

I sincerely hope these people are removed from society for the longest length of time possible.




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#4 9 years ago

A sad case indeed, I do ponder though, whether this couple will now question God, or whether they'll take what happened, and think of it as 'Gods Will'.




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#5 9 years ago

The power of Christ compelled him.




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#6 9 years ago

I always hoped that this bastard gets whats coming.




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#7 9 years ago

This is why you should have an IQ test before you are allowed to have a child. Seriously.




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#8 9 years ago

MrFancypants;4964986That's sad. I'd say this is more a case of idiotic parenting than religious fundamentalism though. Even hardcore Christians probably heard the phrase "God helps those who help themselves". My guess is the father didn't care or didn't want to cover the costs for treatment.

It is interesting that other people apparently joined the healing-prayers. And none of them contacted authorities? Isn't that accessory to murder?

My thinking(belief) is God is healing me through the doctors... I don't turn away medicine.




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#9 9 years ago

MrFancypants;4964986That's sad. I'd say this is more a case of idiotic parenting than religious fundamentalism though. Even hardcore Christians probably heard the phrase "God helps those who help themselves". My guess is the father didn't care or didn't want to cover the costs for treatment.

It is interesting that other people apparently joined the healing-prayers. And none of them contacted authorities? Isn't that accessory to murder?

Sorry Fancypants, but there actually are people, like this guy, who really do believe that god will heal them if they just pray hard enough, and believe that medicines, even vaccines and advil, are nothing but a "material world construct" that is not approved by god. They really do believe that if they pray hard enough, god will heal them of any and all afflictions, and several have died from cancer, diabietes, the flu, and other treatable illnesses, simply because they don't believe in medicine.

Its scary.




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#10 9 years ago

There was some supreme court case a long time ago that was a lot like this. Forgot the name but this religous guys were going to let their kid die but the hospital wanted th surgery to save it. The dad said he would sue but they did the surgery anyway and the dad sued. The decision was in favor of the hospital beause "your rights stop when you infringe on other's (rights)" I think thats how it went