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Raptor_101

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#1 7 years ago

Currently President Abbas is speaking before the U.N. for the creation of the Palestinian State. After submitting an application to the U.N. the U.S. has vowed to veto statehood to the Palestinians due to it's ties to Israel. Source(s): Abbas stakes Palestinian claim to state at U.N. | Reuters Recent topics at CNN will update I'm sure once speech ends: Palestinian Politics: News & Videos about Palestinian Politics - CNN.com BBC News - Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas makes UN statehood bid To be honest I feel they deserve statehood after all that has been happening between Israel and them.




MrFancypants Forum Admin

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#2 7 years ago

I listened to the last few minutes of the speech. It received quite a bit of applause, which isn't surprising as most of the members are from Muslim states.

From what I remember Israel offered recognition of a Palestinian state several times in exchange for recognition of Israel and no right of return for refugees. They were turned down. Also, according to the Oslo accords, any border negotiations should be the result of bilateral talks between Palestine and Israel, so with this plea the Palestinians seem to be breaking the only effective treaty between the parties that is in existence. Israel has already announced that it will also use this opportunity to renege on the Oslo accords.

A two-state solution seems like the only workable solution to this conflict, but what Palestine is doing seems like a step back.




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#3 7 years ago

I have a greta amount of sympathy for palestinians, they do deserve their own nation again but it is too impratical, people need to start looking outside of the box.




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#4 7 years ago
After submitting an application to the U.N. the U.S. has vowed to veto statehood to the Palestinians due to it's ties to Israel.

Doesn't this show the complete two face of US foreign relations? For nearly two decades the US has been "championing" the talks and the two state solution which called for an independent Palestinian state with Israel for peace in the middle east, so Am I to getting this correct when I say all of that was bullshit?




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#5 7 years ago
Mihail;5563585Doesn't this show the complete two face of US foreign relations? For nearly two decades the US has been "championing" the talks and the two state solution which called for an independent Palestinian state with Israel for peace in the middle east, so Am I to getting this correct when I say all of that was bullshit?

The Israeli/US position was that a Palestinian state would only be recognized if certain conditions were fulfilled (recognition of Israel, settling of the right of return question, guarantees of security etc.). Not that the Palestines just get what they want without having to make any concessions on their own.




Mihail VIP Member

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#6 7 years ago
MrFancypants;5563587The Israeli/US position was that a Palestinian state would only be recognized if certain conditions were fulfilled (recognition of Israel, settling of the right of return question, guarantees of security etc.). Not that the Palestines just get what they want without having to make any concessions on their own.

Sounds one sided and unfair, I think they should instead goto the UN, oh wait....




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#7 7 years ago

Like Russia is understanding about terrorist attacks on its terrioty by people who want their own state. Besides, the UN agreed with the two state solution, you could say that the UN invented it. Too bad that the Arabs figured they wouldn't have to agree to such a deal and could just take what they want by force.




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#8 7 years ago

[SIZE="3"]How would a Palestinian state even function? I mean there's a lot of ra-ra Bs about it but no-one seems to be able to come up with a description of how it would work with the other countries in the region to lead to a desirable future. It just seems to be 'We want!'[/SIZE]




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#9 7 years ago

the way I see it, an official palestinian state would work by forcing Israel to stop settling the West bank and besieging Gaza. As it is, it's not technically besieging. If Palestine becomes independent, it is. It forces Israel to make concessions. Maybe it's because I have an antipathy towards Israel, but I'd be greatly in favour of this. My only concern is the management of Hamas in Gaza. If they continue to attack, that's an act of war, and that brings it back to square one. On the other hand, nothing meaningful will ever be sorted diplomatically between Israel and Palestine, especially not pre-1967 borders. I'm more or less against Israel, but will tolerate their existence if they were to be tolerant to palestine (which they are not). what I am really against is the USA getting in the way of progress. Obama treated the middle east situation as a major foreign policy goal in 2008. Now, on the advent of the 2012 elections, where he has no chance of winning, he goes for the jewish vote by being fundamentally pro-Israeli, something which is unprecedented for Obama, at least to this degree. The inevitability that this gets vetoed disgusts me. It doesn't seem just at all. Obama says a solution cannot be made without Israel but Netanyahu makes no sign of being willing to make any concessions, and I can't imagine any Israeli leaders being willing. It's not even Israel that angers me here, it's the USA. It makes me sick.




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#10 7 years ago

Keyser, this attempt at getting a Palestinian state is one that would violate a previous US-brokered agreement between Palestine and Israel. I'd say that it makes it more reasonable for the US to veto if the Palestinians are reneging on their promise.