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Karst

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#1 11 years ago

Just in the news an hour ago, it looks like the 2007 National People's Congress has brought some progress to China. For those who didn't see the news yet, the most important item was the introduction of private property which is now equal to state property. Also, foreign investors now pay the same taxes as domestic ones which should help domestic companies compete.

A few days ago, i read the death penalty conditions and operating procedures are being heavily revised in a way that should make it less common (something like 75% of the executions in the world happen in China).

The changing China is carried by the newly emerging and rapidly growing middle class. They are moving China in a new, modern direction. The economy is already growing explosively, and the social system is slowly being modernized as well.

What do you think of this development? How long till China is part of the modern first world? And: politically we haven't seen as much progress, do you think this will start anytime soon?




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#2 11 years ago

Political change will come about like it did in Russia, As the old hardliners pass on and are replaced by newer blood the element needed for change will be there and will come in time.

I am happy Chinas economy and social structure is modernizing. Im still worried about its military build up.




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#3 11 years ago

Good steps though I don't expect too much out from them. Private ownership is an old thing in urban China which now just got official status though the poor peasants still have no rights on their lands: corrupt local civil servants size up their lands to be distributed for party loyalists which causes most of the riots in rural areas.

Raising taxes for foreign companies is a good thing in principle as it will slow down the so called "China phenomenom", domestic companies going aboard, though I'm afraid that companies will now just move to Indonesia, Taiwan or even worse, India. Despite of policy reviews, China still carries out a lot of executions and human rights violations.

It will take a long, long time before China will become modern first world country if ever which is more likely. The USSR ceased to exist in 1991 but what Russia is today, at 2007? Corrupt half-democracy where the media gets more and more controlled by the Kremlin, the chances of opposition parties are reduced through election "reforms", police officers and other civil servants in all levels take bribes and oligarkhs & "new rich" get more power through bigger personal fortunes. If the Communist Party of China will eventually lose its power, the way of Russia is most likely to follow.




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#4 11 years ago

China is doing very well when compared to the USA. The average tax per person is $370 compared to the $8000 we get. Also, they have a surplus of around $150 billion while we have a $250 billion deficit. I comend them :)




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#5 11 years ago
11th SS Pz. Lt. Jat;3586148China is doing very well when compared to the USA. The average tax per person is $370 compared to the $8000 we get. Also, they have a surplus of around $150 billion while we have a $250 billion deficit. I comend them :)

You get what you pay for. The more tax money you put into the government the more public jobs and social programs get created.

They got a long way to go on the humanitarian and social reform. The problem with communism was always a social one. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Thats how people can get run over by tanks and shot in squares. In capitalism there is a balance struck between those priorities that naturally generated a drive to innovate and make progress.




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#6 11 years ago
11th SS Pz. Lt. Jat;3586148China is doing very well when compared to the USA. The average tax per person is $370 compared to the $8000 we get. Also, they have a surplus of around $150 billion while we have a $250 billion deficit. I comend them :)

The average tax per person is such because per capita wise, China is still basically a 3rd world country. Cant tax people who are dirt poor too much... I'll be scared when Chinas money comes from somewhere OTHER than the US. Makes the fall out from trade war more interesting that way.




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#7 11 years ago

Wicked! they're becoming more like us, and everyone knows we're the best. USA is corrupt and China is communist, becoming USA. awesome, corrupt communists.




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#8 11 years ago

Relander;3585966Good steps though I don't expect too much out from them. Private ownership is an old thing in urban China which now just got official status though the poor peasants still have no rights on their lands: corrupt local civil servants size up their lands to be distributed for party loyalists which causes most of the riots in rural areas.

Raising taxes for foreign companies is a good thing in principle as it will slow down the so called "China phenomenom", domestic companies going aboard, though I'm afraid that companies will now just move to Indonesia, Taiwan or even worse, India. Despite of policy reviews, China still carries out a lot of executions and human rights violations.

It will take a long, long time before China will become modern first world country if ever which is more likely. The USSR ceased to exist in 1991 but what Russia is today, at 2007? Corrupt half-democracy where the media gets more and more controlled by the Kremlin, the chances of opposition parties are reduced through election "reforms", police officers and other civil servants in all levels take bribes and oligarkhs & "new rich" get more power through bigger personal fortunes. If the Communist Party of China will eventually lose its power, the way of Russia is most likely to follow.

I don't think that China will have a similar development as Russia because as it seems there will is a slow shift from communism to capitalism, instead of a revolution with the following chaos.




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#9 11 years ago
cc.;3587432Wicked! they're becoming more like us, and everyone knows we're the best. USA is corrupt and China is communist, becoming USA. awesome, corrupt communists.

There is a question every American has to ask of himself. "Am I a good person?" We are a nation of the people. If the sum of people are corrupt then we're a corrupt nation. All our politicians are elected of us by us. So if there is corruption its by us and up to us to clean it up. :)




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#10 11 years ago
MrFancypants;3587622I don't think that China will have a similar development as Russia because as it seems there will is a slow shift from communism to capitalism, instead of a revolution with the following chaos.

Yes, yes I agree after the Soviet Union fell Russia's economy almost completly colapsed which could led to these extrenuating circumstances. It became messed up to the point that even today it is still recovering in areas. China on the other had has a very strong economy and China as Mr. Fancypants said is gradually introducing more and more capitalistic ideas into itself which I believe will help to keep a repeat of what happened in Russia in China.