i'm talking about the general interpretation. if the 'fanatic' intepretation had prevailed, there would have been no images whatsoever in the western world today.
It's a symbol of his gift of life to us.
SpiderGoatBeen watching Bill Hicks?
i don't even know what that is.
and sporky, that kinda makes sense, but do you guys really believe the only suffering he had to do was be nailed to some wood? if that was it, any nobody theif could have been your savior.
the (biblical) accounts of his life make it clear that he was not just abother 'nobody'. because he was who he was (if you believe that), it carries much more importance why he died.
i'm not asking about the importaince of his death, i'm trying to figure if the only suffering for our sins he did was on that cross. it's just hard to beleive looking at this world and how much of it sins in the eyes of christians.
CorTi'm trying to figure if the only suffering for our sins he did was on that cross.
you don't think that was enough suffering?
CorTi don't even know what that is. and sporky, that kinda makes sense, but do you guys really believe the only suffering he had to do was be nailed to some wood? if that was it, any nobody theif could have been your savior.
Well first he was whipped with this cat-o-nine tails type whip, with these bone pieces in it. Then he had thorns (which btw were like 3 inches long) thrust onto his head. then he was mocked. And then yes, he was nailed to the cross. Now the physical trama that was undergone bye one's body on the cross was imense. You're arms had to be pulled from their sockets, where the nails were placed on the wrists (not hands because that wouldn't have worked) was hitting a nerve. It was also very hard to breathe, you'd have to stand to be able to breathe, this would only cause more pain in your feet. All that, and the fact that for the first time ever in his existance God had to completely turn his back on Jesus because he took on all our sin.
but thats just physical pain… i just can't see that making up for our sins.
Here's another question: if God is willing to forgive repentant sinners, why does he need to have someone else "pay" for their sins by being tortured and killed? Why couldn't he just forgive us without making Jesus pick up the tab? Makes no sense to me.
Speaking of sins, can we really be blamed for them? If you look at the story which claims humans have "original sin" (which I consider to be BS), our supposed ancestors Adam and Eve were deliberately led to commit these sins by God and his agents. He supposedly put the forbidden tree within easy access of Adam and Eve, and he even created a serpent whose goal was to trick them into eating the forbidden fruit. Also, as their creator God would have known that Adam and Eve were to gullible and weak-willed to resist the temptation. That seems like a textbook case of entrapment to me. How can God then pin the blame on us for doing precisely what he set us up to do?
And, since God = Jezus (the famous G=J rule :D ) he let himself get tortured. Christianity is weird.... :rolleyes: