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MrFancypants Forum Admin

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#11 14 years ago

Immigration brings both advantages and disadvantages. I don't know how it is in Sweden, but over here many people are just overly prejudiced against immigrants. They stick out from the crowd, so foreign criminals or jobless people are more easily remembered. Over here they seem actually more eager to find a job and when I see someone begging for money it's not an immigrant but some person from this country. Immigrantion is necessay in some countires for demographic reasons (the German society will collapse sooner or later unless either more babies are born or immigrants accepted). And their different culture is a nice change. Of course there are many problems because of the difficult integration, but I don't see many people actually working on these problems. During my civil service I worked for about one year in a program that was connected to integration of immigrants. Once you get to know them personally and understand their situation your view of the whole problem changes a lot.




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#12 14 years ago

Are all immigrants criminals? No!

If I was in power in Sweden I would do this about immigration (this is from the top of my head):

1. Remove names from job applications. The thing that matters is your qualifications for that particular job, not your name.

2. Give all non-citizens a warning everytime they commit a crime (everything above shoplifting and is related to theft/violence, driving too fast wouldn't give you a warning for example). 3 warnings and you can pack your possessions. Rape, murder etc. would give 3 warnings.

3. Only allow labour-immigrants (atleast the majority), if you don't have a job in lets say, 1-2 years (they must have some time to learn the language and how the Swedish society works). If not, send them home. Under that time the state will provide welfare. In Sweden education is free (including collage). Encourage them to get an education.

4. Sign them up for "Swedish A" the minute they set thier feet on Swedish soil.

5. Fight racism and racial prejudices.

6. Don't place all immigrants in Rinkeby or RosengÄrd (all Swedes know what I'm talking about). Try to spread them out alittle. Up north there's not like a single immigrant. This would also encourage them to learn Swedish.




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#13 14 years ago

Well, if the immigration service workers aren't ruthless bastards, they lose their jobs. The plan outlined above is strict, and harsh, and fair. If they can't stay fair, then they shouldn't being working that job.




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#14 14 years ago

Some areas of the UK could suffer serious economic damage if immigrants ever left, as businesses rely on them to an extent. An area of Scotland is one such place, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. Immigrant workers who come over to work, filling positions which cannot otherwise be satisfied by the existing workforce, is always a good thing. Say what you will, but this is a fact -- there are industries where there aren't actually enough workers, and immigrants have solved this problem. The NHS is a major example. By the same token, though, they don't all come over to work and make an honest living. The criminals and those who bleed money from our foolishly generous welfare system (they do this because they can get infinitely more money from our welfare system than they could ever get on a full-time wage in their own country -- who WOULDN'T be tempted?) can get back where they came from so far as I'm concerned. No, I don't have any figures on how many of them there are. I doubt even the government knows that -- because a lot of the ones who cause crime are going to be 'illegal' immigrants, which makes them a little hard to count. But they're a drain on the welfare system, a drain on the NHS, a drain on the police force, and most importantly of all, a drain on my taxes. So I'm all in favour of an instant deportation system. One crime more serious than a mild speeding ticket, and you're out. No appeal, no 'waiting period'. One crime, and it's off to your homeland. I don't go over to your country and cause trouble, so you don't do it to mine. Do I think quotas are a good idea when dealing with asylum seekers and other welfare-bleeders? Yes! It's common sense. If we were to accept more asylum seekers than we have workers, we'd be in deep shit. We can only afford to keep a certain number of people alive on welfare, so let's not get unrealistic and try to take everybody in. Deal with British citizens first. Any excess can be allocated to a varying number of asylum seekers. As nobody's going to take my suggestion and abolish welfare completely, that'll have to be the next best thing.




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#15 14 years ago
Mr. MattSome areas of the UK could suffer serious economic damage if immigrants ever left, as businesses rely on them to an extent. An area of Scotland is one such place, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. Immigrant workers who come over to work, filling positions which cannot otherwise be satisfied by the existing workforce, is always a good thing. Say what you will, but this is a fact -- there are industries where there aren't actually enough workers, and immigrants have solved this problem. The NHS is a major example. By the same token, though, they don't all come over to work and make an honest living. The criminals and those who bleed money from our foolishly generous welfare system (they do this because they can get infinitely more money from our welfare system than they could ever get on a full-time wage in their own country -- who WOULDN'T be tempted?) can get back where they came from so far as I'm concerned. No, I don't have any figures on how many of them there are. I doubt even the government knows that -- because a lot of the ones who cause crime are going to be 'illegal' immigrants, which makes them a little hard to count. But they're a drain on the welfare system, a drain on the NHS, a drain on the police force, and most importantly of all, a drain on my taxes. So I'm all in favour of an instant deportation system. One crime more serious than a mild speeding ticket, and you're out. No appeal, no 'waiting period'. One crime, and it's off to your homeland. I don't go over to your country and cause trouble, so you don't do it to mine. Do I think quotas are a good idea when dealing with asylum seekers and other welfare-bleeders? Yes! It's common sense. If we were to accept more asylum seekers than we have workers, we'd be in deep shit. We can only afford to keep a certain number of people alive on welfare, so let's not get unrealistic and try to take everybody in. Deal with British citizens first. Any excess can be allocated to a varying number of asylum seekers. As nobody's going to take my suggestion and abolish welfare completely, that'll have to be the next best thing.

pleased.gif Quota's are a good idea, i believe the dutch goverment has quota's on the amount of immigrants they allow in here. The stupid thing is that the mushy left wing news always picks up on sertain "sad sad stories", resulting in alot of "mass pardons" every now and then. Im not against immigration, and have nothing against immigrants, because i know a few that have indeed become contributing members of society.. However the majority seems to be less then willing to.. adapt to how things go here.. Alot of people have been here for more then 10 years and still dont speak a decent amount of dutch, or english for that matter. Simply because they dont need a job, they leech of wellfare and move into a part of town where alot of -insert country- people live. I believe these people should be booted out back to their own country. I feel sorry for these people at times, but the rich countries can not let in masses of immigrants while keeping the standart of living here up to par, its selfish, but.. sad%20%28frown%29.gif




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#16 14 years ago

Problems with quotas:

Can be biased.

Limits the number of immigrants. The number of immigrant should not be the issue. It is the quality of the immigrants that should be an issue.

May turn away the Einsteins and give us the Homer Simpsons.

My idea doesn't limit immigration, it just makes immigrants show that they are worthy.




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